ArrayArrayArrayArrayArrayArrayArrayArrayArrayArrayArrayArray BrainModular BrainModular Users Forum 2008-12-06T13:18:09+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/app.php/feed/topic/1189 2008-12-06T13:18:09+02:00 2008-12-06T13:18:09+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6513#p6513 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]> let's try your suggestions.

Statistics: Posted by senso — 06 Dec 2008, 12:18


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2008-12-06T10:39:53+02:00 2008-12-06T10:39:53+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6510#p6510 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]> One hand also ok for me
not against personal keymaping ;)

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 06 Dec 2008, 09:39


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2008-12-06T03:11:45+02:00 2008-12-06T03:11:45+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6503#p6503 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]>
I almost always 'saveAs' from the menu anyway--since I have to type in a new name, it's never just a quick keycommand like saving is....

Statistics: Posted by woodslanding — 06 Dec 2008, 02:11


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2008-12-05T10:36:21+02:00 2008-12-05T10:36:21+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6490#p6490 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]>
And if we want to respect the [ctrl] for wkp and [ctrl-alt] for patches it means that 'save as' will be:
[ctrl+shift+s] for wkp and [ctrl+shift+alt+s] for patches...tricky because we need 2 hands...
The ideal solution doesn't exist?

Statistics: Posted by senso — 05 Dec 2008, 09:36


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2008-12-05T09:41:50+02:00 2008-12-05T09:41:50+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6489#p6489 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]> Ctrl-Shift-S is a convention used in almost all the open source softs. Of course, let's forget window$ :)

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 05 Dec 2008, 08:41


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2008-12-04T23:53:40+02:00 2008-12-04T23:53:40+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6484#p6484 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]> Statistics: Posted by bsork — 04 Dec 2008, 22:53


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2008-12-04T20:08:31+02:00 2008-12-04T20:08:31+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6480#p6480 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]>
ctrl for wkp
ctrl+alt for patches

I think it's quite comfortable like that. the only big conflict is with the ctrl+A (save as). but I can't find a better candidate...

Statistics: Posted by senso — 04 Dec 2008, 19:08


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2008-12-04T19:10:16+02:00 2008-12-04T19:10:16+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6475#p6475 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]>
You're right, Wodslanding, shortcuts are somewhat confusing (and keystroke+clicks too).
When you patch modular stuffs in Usine, then in Reaktor, then back in Usine, then... you just turn crazy!
I would also add the very popular ctrl+C, ctrl+X and Ctrl+V (copy, cut, paste) that don't work the same way in parameters textfiels, in patches textfields (typically the patch name), in the patching window (or sequencer) and so on.
I've already seen ctrl+L for Select All, in some cheap softs, but Usine is NOT a cheap soft!!!!
I think that Olivier is right: it's great time now to nomalize that according to the softs-world usage.
Maybe a customizable table, why not, but what is really important for ergonomy is to have first the right usual shortcut keys (ctrl-F9 for compilation is the right one, for example).
That's an old question now.
Certainly not so easy to perfectly implement everywhere in the gui...

Statistics: Posted by Vincent — 04 Dec 2008, 18:10


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2008-12-03T20:12:27+02:00 2008-12-03T20:12:27+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6448#p6448 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]>
the 'timeout' on popup texfields. I realize I shouldn't leave the refrigerator door open while I'm deciding what to eat.... but--I do! ;)

the need to double-click on list boxes to select an item. this one I got used to pretty quickly, but it confused me a LOT when I was first starting out.

-e

Statistics: Posted by woodslanding — 03 Dec 2008, 19:12


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2008-12-03T19:17:24+02:00 2008-12-03T19:17:24+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6440#p6440 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]>
Other small things:
I also am having problems wanting to put tabs in the script window... and I'm used to dragging to select multiple objects. I really like the way usine moves the frame of view, but I would put that under a ctl-key if I had a choice, just for consistency with other programs.

not the #1 issue, but.... I do think these kinds of conventions are important to keep in mind.

cheers!
-eric

Statistics: Posted by woodslanding — 03 Dec 2008, 18:17


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2008-12-03T16:29:02+02:00 2008-12-03T16:29:02+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6437#p6437 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]> Maybe it's time to start a more global reflexion on all the short-cuts.

Statistics: Posted by senso — 03 Dec 2008, 15:29


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2008-12-02T22:15:06+02:00 2008-12-02T22:15:06+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6415#p6415 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]>
I'm used to ctl-shift-s for saveAs and ctl-A for select all. All the software I use follows this convention, and especially working on scripts and going back and forth from a text editor, it drives me crazy!

thanks for listening!
-eric

Statistics: Posted by woodslanding — 02 Dec 2008, 21:15


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BrainModular BrainModular Users Forum 2008-12-06T13:18:09+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/app.php/feed/topic/1189 2008-12-06T13:18:09+02:00 2008-12-06T13:18:09+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6513#p6513 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]> let's try your suggestions.

Statistics: Posted by senso — 06 Dec 2008, 12:18


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2008-12-06T10:39:53+02:00 2008-12-06T10:39:53+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6510#p6510 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]> One hand also ok for me
not against personal keymaping ;)

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 06 Dec 2008, 09:39


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2008-12-06T03:11:45+02:00 2008-12-06T03:11:45+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6503#p6503 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]>
I almost always 'saveAs' from the menu anyway--since I have to type in a new name, it's never just a quick keycommand like saving is....

Statistics: Posted by woodslanding — 06 Dec 2008, 02:11


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2008-12-05T10:36:21+02:00 2008-12-05T10:36:21+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6490#p6490 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]>
And if we want to respect the [ctrl] for wkp and [ctrl-alt] for patches it means that 'save as' will be:
[ctrl+shift+s] for wkp and [ctrl+shift+alt+s] for patches...tricky because we need 2 hands...
The ideal solution doesn't exist?

Statistics: Posted by senso — 05 Dec 2008, 09:36


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2008-12-05T09:41:50+02:00 2008-12-05T09:41:50+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6489#p6489 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]> Ctrl-Shift-S is a convention used in almost all the open source softs. Of course, let's forget window$ :)

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 05 Dec 2008, 08:41


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2008-12-04T23:53:40+02:00 2008-12-04T23:53:40+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6484#p6484 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]> Statistics: Posted by bsork — 04 Dec 2008, 22:53


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2008-12-04T20:08:31+02:00 2008-12-04T20:08:31+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6480#p6480 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]>
ctrl for wkp
ctrl+alt for patches

I think it's quite comfortable like that. the only big conflict is with the ctrl+A (save as). but I can't find a better candidate...

Statistics: Posted by senso — 04 Dec 2008, 19:08


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2008-12-04T19:10:16+02:00 2008-12-04T19:10:16+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6475#p6475 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]>
You're right, Wodslanding, shortcuts are somewhat confusing (and keystroke+clicks too).
When you patch modular stuffs in Usine, then in Reaktor, then back in Usine, then... you just turn crazy!
I would also add the very popular ctrl+C, ctrl+X and Ctrl+V (copy, cut, paste) that don't work the same way in parameters textfiels, in patches textfields (typically the patch name), in the patching window (or sequencer) and so on.
I've already seen ctrl+L for Select All, in some cheap softs, but Usine is NOT a cheap soft!!!!
I think that Olivier is right: it's great time now to nomalize that according to the softs-world usage.
Maybe a customizable table, why not, but what is really important for ergonomy is to have first the right usual shortcut keys (ctrl-F9 for compilation is the right one, for example).
That's an old question now.
Certainly not so easy to perfectly implement everywhere in the gui...

Statistics: Posted by Vincent — 04 Dec 2008, 18:10


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2008-12-03T20:12:27+02:00 2008-12-03T20:12:27+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6448#p6448 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]>
the 'timeout' on popup texfields. I realize I shouldn't leave the refrigerator door open while I'm deciding what to eat.... but--I do! ;)

the need to double-click on list boxes to select an item. this one I got used to pretty quickly, but it confused me a LOT when I was first starting out.

-e

Statistics: Posted by woodslanding — 03 Dec 2008, 19:12


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2008-12-03T19:17:24+02:00 2008-12-03T19:17:24+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6440#p6440 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]>
Other small things:
I also am having problems wanting to put tabs in the script window... and I'm used to dragging to select multiple objects. I really like the way usine moves the frame of view, but I would put that under a ctl-key if I had a choice, just for consistency with other programs.

not the #1 issue, but.... I do think these kinds of conventions are important to keep in mind.

cheers!
-eric

Statistics: Posted by woodslanding — 03 Dec 2008, 18:17


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2008-12-03T16:29:02+02:00 2008-12-03T16:29:02+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6437#p6437 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]> Maybe it's time to start a more global reflexion on all the short-cuts.

Statistics: Posted by senso — 03 Dec 2008, 15:29


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2008-12-02T22:15:06+02:00 2008-12-02T22:15:06+02:00 https://brainmodular.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1189&p=6415#p6415 <![CDATA[control-A is driving me batty!]]>
I'm used to ctl-shift-s for saveAs and ctl-A for select all. All the software I use follows this convention, and especially working on scripts and going back and forth from a text editor, it drives me crazy!

thanks for listening!
-eric

Statistics: Posted by woodslanding — 02 Dec 2008, 21:15


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