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amiga909

there is deckadance vsti by image line which clearly is in the 'celestial traktor league'.

regarding free vsti's that askywhale plugin is the best afaik (though RAM usage is excessive).
there also is free Pinky Pluggo vst that can read mp3s.

amiga909

i wouldnt say its no problem if u want Mackie control. Mackie MCU is a propietary protocol, means some advanced automations only work with Mackie (or similar) controllers. there has been good work on making a behringer BCR/BCF act like a Mackie controller. it should be well possible to make Usine ac...

amiga909

great!! thanks, senso.

btw, havent seen a KVR news entry yet (only forum message). lets spread the word of v5!

amiga909

just noticed the new news content:

yes! v5 is nearly here as it seems.

i wished it would take even a bit longer cause i'll have my finishing exams in a few weeks....
my only chance: i have to send the teachers a link to Usine. so they cant think about anything else too

amiga909

great to see more midi functionality in v5

if u cant wait: until v5 is out one of my v4 filter scripts should do (i've adapted bidules idea of filtered/passed outputs)

amiga909

its an academic project so i am not sure if we'll ever see it on the market. not soon, i guess. academic paper: http://tei-conf.org/10/uploads/Program/p241.pdf in there they mention a similar mouse: http://www.orbitamouse.com/ // 80$ (in fact any mouse with a scroll wheel would work) the paper menti...

amiga909

multipoint mouse+controller devices

http://tui.formundzweck.de/?p=478
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuUjf-c6L6U&

amiga909

I think maybe Senso is just making sure that for sure I have to renew my one year membership before I can download the v5 ;) Speaking of which, how exactly does that work? if its still the same (July 2009), i payed 40 euros via paypal (incl. forum user name) and i have from the date of payment 1 ye...

amiga909

as u surely knew, there are 2 forms of aftertouch: going from your description, bsork, u want poly aftertouch (control key pressures in a chord seperately). afaik only very few midi keyboards support poly aftertouch (akai mpc pads, roland a50). mono/channel aftertouch is much more common. therefore ...

amiga909

senso wrote:
Is USINE V5 will improve MIDI Sync FROM external or internal source with the MIDI beat clock integration ?????
unfortunately not for the V5 but now the with new engine, I will be able to correct the Midi sync problems very soon.
It's my priority now.

yai

amiga909

guess u'll have to wait a little since ur referring to v5 which is not released yet.

amiga909

dont forget promotion and PR (outside of sensomusic.com). though i am not a big fan of spam... it works. and if its quality spam, it works and is ecological ok

havent seen an announcement (like for v4.0) on KVR yet? others: fancy demo vid, magazine/newssite coverage, introduction price offers, etc.

amiga909

nice script, thanks!

amiga909

short note: it might be the case that my suspicion about a faulty Usine midi implementation is wrong. other people (standard Live users) seemed to have problems with hanging lights too. maybe the problem is launchpad-specific. if so, novation will most surely release an update - or people might have...

amiga909

martignasse wrote:I think the script engine has no import/include functionality (have to be confirmed by Senso, or Bsork ?)

according to senso, 25.8.09, its not possible
http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1646

amiga909

just an idea: use another step module that generates the max amount of random values. then extract a sub-array for the target step module.

amiga909

however, right now, i use 'midiOut' by insert_piz_here: http://www.thepiz.org/dl/?p=vst instead of Usine midi out. works. Interesting. They are two investigation directions: 1) use an unpack sctript before the midiout module. 2) use a small Midi-delay. to send midi codes one by one separated by few...

amiga909

This problem comes from the fact that if no midi in is connected to the midimonitor VST, and only in this case, the ALL_NOTE_OFF is always sent to the vst. It appears only in this precise case and will be solved in the V5. Then, MidiMonitor crashes but it's not really a bug of usine. Simply, Midimo...

amiga909

wow!!

amiga909

schöni wiehnachte und schomol e guets neujoor
[wiehnachte = xmas; neujoor = new years eve]

amiga909

very strange? What kind of message are sent by the launchpad? and what kind of message it receives, if for example we want to light a cell? sent and received: straightforward note On, Offs and CC's. there is no midi thru, so there is no 'physical midi loop'. Take either of these VST midi monitors, ...

amiga909

So i'd like to know if this novation launchpad works all right with usine, as i might buy one, please if someone can tell in a not to technical way...? launchpad is not a traditional midi controller. if u press a button on the launchpad nothing seems to happen. its lights can only be controlled by ...

amiga909

remark:
the monome emulator (nonome) doesnt run very well here yet..

http://little-scale.blogspot.com/2009/1 ... encer.html
easy to try: little step sequencer, max runtime needed.

amiga909

received my launchpad today :) got a nasty problem that lcould be a problem with my setup or a problem with Usine midi... :( launchpad needs to receive midi data to make visual response. to play launchpad as a keyboard, launchpad IN goes to launchpad OUT. the problem: if i hit loads of different pad...

amiga909

dam, still waiting for my launchpad..

cool new application, stepseq for Live:
http://www.novationmusic.com/news/

inspirational!

amiga909

thanks for ur reply, grego yes I use Bluesoleil and it's ok me too. for freeware use i have to re-install i, when 2MB have been transferred. ah? just found an app called Wiiconnect, will try later :) http://thomas.lippert.it/v4/programme/wiiconnect-einfacher-verbunden/ for batteries I use rechargeab...

amiga909

some questions: - @gregmondo: do u use blue soleil (or another bluetooth connector) to recognize the wiimote as bluetooth device? - just bought the wiimote motion plus addon (more precise 3d movement). seems it doesnt work yet with Usine. also didnt find a glovepie script to try? - how do u do with ...

amiga909

tkx a lot for ur reply, senso. note: bsork helped me with some theoretical knowledge about blocksize and ppq in this thread: http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1802 i'll try to let Usine modules generate the step impulses. btw, my dream would be to have a genoqs nemo 'emulation' for t...

amiga909

just a short note (didnt read the discussion very deeply): No matter how many times I jump back and forth they are at the same point becuase they are both following the same timeline (clock). In a game audio engine this is possible becuase the engine is keeping track of all clips set to that global ...

amiga909

thanks a lot for ur exact explanation, bsork :) always good if things seem so simple afterwards - though i feel stupid.. one addition: 24 ppq is the midi clock standard. however, most sequencers have a multiple of 24 ppq, thus allowing finer resolution than 64th triplet notes. standard nowadays is, ...

amiga909

the bloc counter problem tangles a bit my question in the 'patching' subforum.
can anybody explain me in easy words the relation between blocksize, real time (in ms) and midi time (midi pulses (ppq))?

thanks.

amiga909

thanks a lot for ur work runagate and 23fx23.
following this discussion saved me LOADS of time.

that stanton unit is the thing to have for me as well.

amiga909

i'd like to try a sequencer script. i am very much at the beginning, trying to figure out what could be done. how precise can a sequencer be with fast script? i mean, in terms of having 1/128, or 1/32 steps. in midi terms it depends on the PPQ resolution, i've read. - how often per second can a midi...

amiga909

what about..
- for any audio out: mixer (N in ->1)
- for any outlet: trace value

also it could be nice if different module types were grouped (if easily possible). for example param inlets
..
LFO
step
----
data inlet
get from bus
----
user cruve sequencer
----
cancel

amiga909

tkx a lot for the script woodslanding. also thanks to bsork. learnt quite a lot about the new callback thing.

amiga909

about the hanging-note thing: there actually is a vst series that takes care of it: "•most plugins include a sort of hanging-note-protection system (where applicable) to enable making changes during playback (e.g. when a MIDI thru option is toggled) without the risk of not releasing notes which are ...

amiga909

woodslanding wrote:The automated sus script is on my list--but where is this 'keyboard hold' script???

-e

midi addons: some_midi scripts_V2 (does not work with fast script)
its not the same as u want. however, i'd go from that script to make a midi sustain.

amiga909

how about a 'replace with...'? this wouldnt generate new module(s). instead the selected module is replaced by an equivalent module. for example: module round fader oscillopscope data outlet send to bus ---------------- cancel --------------- replace with -> trunc(x) abs(x) 1/X exp&#...

amiga909

I just found another reason for converting sustain pedal. I've got a great new free vst I am using in my rig, from the kvr developers challenge. Unfortunately, it's not a terribly professional product, and didn't implement sustain pedal..... I suppose there are a few out there like that. -e nice id...

amiga909

Come to think of it, this topic hasn't really been dealing much with the old MidiMapper patch, which of course is quite ok. However, that makes me wonder whether someone out there actually uses it? dont think we didnt discuss it. for me, its actually quite difficult to sort out what can be done wit...

amiga909

Does clearmidinotes treat cc64 messages the same way? I guess that's all you have to do, and you don't even have to worry about transposition. It's just important that note filter objects always treat cc64 like a note, not like a cc, so that cc64 data always moves with the notes. interesting point....

amiga909

dont miss the programmers reference: http://www.novationmusic.com/support/startdownloadfile=243.zip?source=www.novationmusic.com/support/launchpad/&did=243&name=Launchpad%20Programmers%20Reference%20Guide_Launchpad%20programmers%20reference.pdf.zip imho, automap isnt necessary? automap cant change t...

amiga909

note-closing technology: not sure if woodslanding referred to this? i see 2 use cases: 1) a note off gets lost (eg. due to conductor change, cable remove, etc.): here clearmidinotes reacts to a manual close is the solution - as bsork explained 2) a note off doesnt fit anymore: can happen with any mi...

amiga909

tkx for ur extensive reply, bsork. wow! quite some drastic changes. In fact, I've already converted all of amiga909's MIDI add-ons to the new script already, and if I remember correctly this is what I've done in most of them, except removing some semicolons that shouldn't have been there but didn't ...

amiga909

tkx for the link nay. may i ask where u got aware of it (audio news site?). tried it and its a nice vst plugin. not the best cpu-wise (eg. compared to VAZ). doesnt sound 'analogue' at all: a strange, very own digital character, i find. cheap-ish which isnt bad at all :) reminds me a bit of old anama...

amiga909

@bsork: "fit the new FastScript." any detailed infos on what is different? i've tried my old scripts with alpha9 and they all dont work anymore. i am sure they all worked before. one grave difference seems to be new types (single instead of integer)? @woodslanding: i've done for mostly all the tasks...

amiga909

interesting to know about that rename problem, have to try this.
thanks.

as nay says, u could do it with an array. but i dont see how u could do this in a easy way?
how much lost scenes (with how many tracks and how much controls) do u have? maybe the good-old pencil+paper-way would be faster?

amiga909

using a second computer might be an option?

i wouldnt (anymore..) go gigging with a computer without a second audio device for loading intermissions or as backup for computer failures anyway.

amiga909

thanks for the heads up artificial

cpu usage is too high imho..
also i dont see how the smaller circles can be controlled with a finger press properly.
makes appetite for new visual controllers made with Usine nevertheless

amiga909

my first suspicion would be a kind of midi feedback with virtual midi drivers. Usine is a bit tricky concerning midi In modules cause the virtual numbers dont show directly which midi device is used . - make sure ur Usine midi setup is alright. - start midiox AFTER usine cause midiOx will report if ...

amiga909

i tried em all:
my favs: Harsh Digital Nose, massTURBOtar, stolon (amazingly low on cpu!), Explor3r

amiga909

THanx, I had tried " n := m mod p;" and it could'nt compile... but now that I think of it, it must have been a problem of type since m was a float... Other question, I tried a script with a declaration such as var n : extended; and the compilator asnwers extended no such type where is the problem ?...

amiga909

any chance to get a mail for the beta version too?

amiga909

couldnt reproduce the behavior with phrazor (host).
the vst GUI isnt always following perfectly but i cant hear any steps.
hmm..strange issue. the only thing i could think of is that ur patch is maybe not well built? could u make a screenshot?

amiga909

great. thanks for the script bsork :) btw, it could be interesting for BCR users as well: if u change the behavior of the B-Control with BC-Convert (eg. choose different resolutions dependable from knob turning speed). havent got a problem myself, but i guess u could emulate the behavior of the axio...

amiga909

Clearscreen wrote:there's a few vst's/standalone things out there, of which tracktionkeys is my favourite, but there's quite a few others if you do a google.
unfortunately none of them work right for my laptop

u also tried vst plugins like mkey by adbe, midi2qwerty16 by insert piz here or trollo?

amiga909

thanks a lot for the discussion (especially runagate)!

never had a touchscreen and wondering about the precision of such devices?
can these HP, Acer, Dell, etc. displays match the precision of a, say, lemur?

amiga909

with multitouch we have the opportunity to finally replace or extend hardware controllers for live performances? i am especially thinking about bi-directional controller hardware, to emulate bi-directional decvices made by Monome, Novation (Automap), Akai (APC10), Mackie Series, Steinberg, etc. what...

amiga909

just for info: the script engine of the V5 will be 50x faster than in the V4. It's not an hallucination ... really 50x faster.... ??? wow!!! any more info on this? just wondering cause i believe scripts are interpreted by the native machine code and thus necessarily slower? however its done, v5 wil...

amiga909

a late response to this issue... @ethnix: not totally sure but i believe ur solution changes the play speed of the slaved (means: synced) roll? i've been messing around with a script solution. my goal was to achieve the same behavior as in phrazor. didnt quite get there :( http://www.sensomusic.com/...

amiga909

fixed a bug in the 2-1 midi switch script (same notes on both midi inputs could interfere). @nay: hmmm.. we could try it. but i fear i couldnt make a script faster than the non-script module way. for data streams a C++ or Delphi module would be better. senso said about this: "C++ is 20x faster than ...

amiga909

nice use of the dispatcher indeed

added 2 small scripts that do something similar:
switch1-2: 1 input, 2 outputs
switch2-1: 2 inputs, 1 output
they both make use of bsorks note closer technique once again. means: hanging noteOffs will be passed thru (if the input or output is not selected)

amiga909

btw, for 400$ there is another button controller coming up: livid block

amiga909

this is a criminal incentive!
i need to rob a bank or something so i can spend all my time on Usine v5

amiga909

i can partly confirm this: the experience of the wii module in Usine is already worth the purchase of a wiimote. yet i didnt manage to build an application to make the wiimote really useful. for binary controls (wii is up/down, left/right, etc.) its well ok. for gradual changes (volume, filter cutof...

amiga909

a simple midi script that holds a key or a chord until next kex or chord is played.
was requested on KVR. the requester never came back, however i finished it nevertheless

amiga909

yeah!!!!

2 bombs in 1 thread actually. i'll get the launchpad most certainly. didnt buy the APC coz its too pricey for what i need. launchpad seems bloody perfect!

amiga909

another question: any1 tried the new wiimote plus controller?
(senso said he's gonna implement it, so it might not work by now)

amiga909

its already 100 times faster than cubase. still i wonder why virtually every host checks the plugins on init. i guess, the idea is to avoid problems while making music. a plugchecker ensures u'll be able to load every plugin that is populated in the plugin directory. plus it should speed up plugin l...

amiga909

what has been already discussed is the idea to quickly insert modules via drag+drop and auto-wiring. personally i dont really see the need for a 'volume fader' for wires since data and audio streams are sometimes the same in usine (volume for data streams?). Buzz is entirely different and much less ...

amiga909

tkx, senso

amiga909

tkx for the link. i've ssen this optical tracking approach something like 2 y. ago. guess u have to be a good mechanican to make this stage-rugged. it could be wise to wait for the release of windows 7 (official date 22.10.09), there might be a lot of touchscreen devs that will offer hardware for th...

amiga909

note 60 = C3 is pretty much the industry standard afaik

there is no universal convention for note names
i believe in midiOx or sonar its also note 60 = C5

amiga909

ur idea sounds interesting.
dont understand yet why u want 'generic faders'?
why not generate new faders for every preset?

amiga909

What other (standard?) Delphi classes/functions/procedures that are available, I don't know. any chance to get some more info about this? feeling lost in this question (if its a relevant question) is it possible to include files in the script module? and yet another question: would it benefit midi ...

amiga909

kewl setup

makes me think about one of these:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3f95iVVUx6I/S ... yboard.jpg

amiga909

+1 for this issue i've tried to do a midi looper with dynamic bar lengths and never could achieve good timing. havent retried for a while thu. havent got a solution.. just some loud thinking here ;) what u could do of course, clearscreen is to keep all tracks active and use a midi bypass (flow contr...

amiga909

i was using tracktionkeys but it wouldn't play well with my new laptop so i built something in plogue that does the trick (usine had an issue i couldn't get around unfortunately) if i get u right, ur talking about computerkeyboard->midi conversion? what issue? tracktionkeys looks nice. i prefer a v...

amiga909

short answer: yes. long answer: for post-processing audio recordings a standalone audio editor or integrated as in Cubase seems mandatory. its about processing stuff offline, like removing very short spikes - sort of stuff i do with old cooledit pro. Usine exceels at recording stuff live and buildin...

amiga909

thanks amiga for your answer and your exemple. Sound great ! to nay seven: it could be possible to have time jitter when you connect one play buton to two sampler. Is the order arrive stricly at the same time to both samplers ? charles would surprise me.. jitter (= changing latency intervals) is a ...

amiga909

interesting project. as i get u, u want to do a vintage-style flanger alike 2 synchronous tape decks in earlier days? was right away inspired to try a flanger effect myself. chose 2 modulated delays (still mono effect). if inspiring for u, see here :) http://thaumat.org/tempo/flanger_test.mp3 http:/...

amiga909

this looks very nice indeed, thanks nelson :) eventually it would be clever to replace the old drag modes (drag with all or without params). usine could always load a vst with the minimal design (such as 'program', 'midi'), and we could add params as needed. further it would be terrific if we had a ...

amiga909

had this problem also in a very few cases (eg. drumatic). maybe there is a problem usine handles params as input pins: more access, more flexibility but higher cpu costs. as i get senso, its better to limit the params cause there are so few exceptions. and practically - nobody needs to automate 1000...

amiga909

should make wii control much more precise!

technical review here:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2008 ... sensor.ars
demo vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acND4sO3pJs

does it work with usine?
any1 tried?

amiga909

thanks for the insights :) wonder if any1 tried how far this can be taken? i guess the plugin still occupies RAM but (almost) no cpu anymore? and of course the bypass modules (data buses, switches) require some cpu. say, i'd want to have a plugin rack with hundreds of plugins ready for processing (o...

amiga909

thanks for the addon

not tested, there might be small error in the script.
it should be:
NewC := getvalue(NewChannel) - 1;

check here for reference discussion:
http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1449

amiga909

new sequencer plugin arrived:
http://www.sugar-bytes.com/content/prod ... hp?lang=en

not exactly a piano roll, so its probably not what i'd love to have. nonetheless the performance controls are inspiring

amiga909

in my experience asio4all works only if u set the latency very high. still, its not a professional solution. imho, if u go on stage, get urself a dedicated audio interface (eg. m-audio is cheap, RME is among the best) and use the driver that comes with the interface. steinbergs multiclient driver: a...

amiga909

just found this: awesome! Voltage: Just like modular synthesizers, people connect with each other in order to achieve diverse objectives. In Voltage, robots, half-human and half-synthesizer, powered by a huge amount of energy, connect to each other in an electric and chaotic trance. http://www.youtu...

amiga909

the support of Scala files seems to be a good idea. i've investigated some more ressources.. - tobybear did a midi plugin that actually does what i had in mind http://www.tobybear.de/p_midibag.html http://www.tobybear.de/images/ss_micro.jpg but its problematic! from what i understood the problem is ...

amiga909

thanks for exploring, ethnix :) APCs still seem to be out of stock, here... dont think the midi bandwidth should be a major problem with 56 midi creators. its more about how much messages they emit per second. as calculated earlier u can blow up a midi transmission with 2 cc knobs (or 1 pitchbend wh...

amiga909

thanks for the investigation bsork. hmmm.. i read ur post again about the polyphony thing.. yeah.. u can cannot assign 2 different pitchbend values to 2 active notes in the same moment. the only thing i'd imagine right now is the assumption that a lot of vsti's run in omnimode, means they always acc...

amiga909

but u could not apply microtuning to any vsti this way? dont know of any midi vst that can do this. but cubase has microtuningt, that works as insert fx.. would surely make a great addon! i guess, its well possible to write a script that reads an array of 12 pitchbend values. to load scala files in ...

amiga909

nice solution

just out of interest: is there a possibility to access the midi output (inside Usine, not with midiOx) of the remote update function?

amiga909

imho it would have a substantial impact on the distribution of usine. thats just how the KVR plugin junkies (like me) want their supply. i guess, people would download a free touchscreen interface vst for their favorite plugin. then, convinced u can make useful stuff with Usine, some of them would w...

amiga909

maybe completely non-sense and not possible to accomplish. remember that senso said Usine uses a lot of non-vst sdk compliant system ressources.
still, i'd like to throw this in. what do u think about it?

amiga909

wonder if multitouch is coming soon? http://www.selfserviceworld.com/article_22428.php // Jan 2009 "The IR multitouch product has been modeled after the Elo CarrollTouch IR component line with the tested reliability of millions of screens in active use,” said Steve Haungs, product manager for ...

amiga909

yes, u are right clearscreen. i really did miss this! and felix is right too there probably isnt anything in the vst domain for 'granular extreme timestretch'. if u are looking for vst stuff u maybe didnt know: spectral or fft driven plugs could maybe u give this effect in realtime. like the mention...

amiga909

u already knew it stretch? yes, if u look at this way, dblue stretch is a stutter. like mdsp livecut or the infamous supatrigga. and yes, timestretch isnt possible in realtime, the audio is buffered and then mangled. thus, stretch features a buffer that is much longer than in usual stutter fx. howev...

amiga909

yeah would be a nice feature for sure.

personally, i like realtime stretching better, made recently a little demo with dblue stretch (see link above), wiith a stupid little acid pattern: http://thaumat.org/tmp/dblueStretch_simpleDemo.mp3
also used stretch for live recorded vocals, worked great

amiga909

seqx8 is an impressive patch, yes. especially the drumseq is very well made.

@ethnix: only thing i dont like is the rather high cpu usage. dont know if this can be answered, thus. what would u say which parts of your patch would benefit from an efficient module or script?

amiga909

the panic button works here (not checked in the newest version thu)
eventually the note closer script may be an alternative
http://www.sensomusic.com/wiki/doku.php ... %20scripts

amiga909

i think it depends on the means of usage: if ur going at realistic time-stretch effects, paul stretch isnt bad but its easily outplayed by the majors in this field (melodyne, cubase time warp, prosoniq time factory, etc.). of course the time stretch in Live or Reaper is very good too - i just want t...

amiga909

listened to a few of ur tracks. ambientish athmospheric density to the max :) is it possible u sample a lot from old movies? :) i love that bogdan raczynski style of weird melodies. his drums are only faster. amiga scene!! :) i never was in the demoscene (too young). however, i still think protracke...

amiga909

alternatives:

rubberizer vst
http://scuzzphut.com/?p=48

dblue stretch // the timestretch effect in glitch as a single plugin
http://www.gersic.com/plugins/hosted/dblue_VST.rar

amiga909

kewl means 'cool'. sorry for my degenerated chatroom english ;) @siegfried: yes... i could use xt1.x as a piano roll vst now... but for the reasons u say i never did... however.. we'll see how far xt 2.5 goes.. i tried the new live markers and it worked. the best solution still is phrazor by sonicby...

amiga909

there is some exciting news about energyXT 2.5 which could be used as a vst piano roll. they've now implemented clip markers (by now: set automatable marks in the sequencer as Usine does).. still in early development stage but if they implement all the functionality from energy 1.x it could be kewl....

amiga909

Felix_Petrescu wrote:hello
we are makunouchi bento

ur affiliated somehow to an almost forgotten great ringmodulator?
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/494.html

amiga909

if u want polyphonic recognition: very hard! afaik there is only one plugin that can do this: http://www.widisoft.com/english/mp3-midi-products.html // about 60$ if mono is ok, try the Usine patch, or alternatively: Synodeia2 by klanglabs, or Junction by frettedsynth // free, i'd prefer the Usine pa...

amiga909

the major advantages in my eyes - conductor (snapshots for master, patches and subpatches!) - easy midi learn everywhere for everything - nice interface objects for quick parameter automation - integrated GUI design - sequencer .. some of the points are surely possible with max too. still, it may al...

amiga909

control data only: 2 sequencers, spline curves for parameter automation..i know its not what u wanted, but i've already looked up the links

- podium
http://www.zynewave.com/about.html
- temper
http://www.angryredplanet.com/temper/

amiga909

nice video!

amiga909

if i get u right blugaruda, u want to do a kind of dj mixer with usine? generally: my experience was often, that there is a lot of good stuff already made in the vst world and i rather lost time when trying to make it myself. imho its better to always doublecheck if there is a moduel in Usine and th...

amiga909

my 2 cents: max msp is a general multimedia programming application, with much more low level programming facilities. usine on the other hand is a music application that has its focus on the creation of live setups. there is no non-programmer approach to max, whereas usine serves both programmers an...

amiga909

not 100% convinced this is Usines fault alone. i had weird stuff going with virtual midi drivers too. try reinstalling+updating your midi driver? or try with a better midi interface, this can make a massive difference in midi performance. thought about making a patch for the EWI to reduce the midi l...

amiga909

- u can do it with the sample module.
for example: use the 'end' or 'pos' outlet with a logical module and control the start/stop behavior in this way
- load a wav in the sequencer
- use an external sampler vst and build ur own interface with usine

amiga909

great job! thank you, benjamin and bsork :) i've read many programming guides and this is one of the better ones. whats still missing for me is a kind of quick reference that lists all functions, globals, etc. on a few pages. wonder if there are still more functions? the string section contains a lo...

amiga909

btw: the best ressource for apc hacking still seems to be: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/06/15/apc40-hacking-superguide-monome-emulator-midi-tricks-and-the-handshake/ + the forum posts below the super guide. some more notes: - a guy posted a sysex string that starts the handshake with Live, i g...

amiga909

sorry, forgot to say: just posted a link!

http://www.andykyte.com/apc40midimap.jpg

amiga909

coz akai seems not to be able to release a midi implemention chart, u might like this

amiga909

i'd recommend to try the midi transposer scripts in the addon section.
bsorks solution is better if u want to transpose notes in realtime - u wont get hanging notes.
u can also try one of my ripoffs that have slightly different design.

amiga909

fantastic!
truly pioneer work!

amiga909

siegfried, i am 100% with you.
i compose with piano rolls since about 8 years now. i am used to the classic piano roll scheme and can draw drums and melodies quite efficiently this way. and its sadly the case that i cannot use my skills with the piano roll as it is now.

amiga909

just thinking aloud about new features a piano roll could have: - implement geometric functions as tools (like in the bigbang movie) - why not replace pitch with velocity? then u could go nuts with coloring notes with color and opacity as a function of a scale/chord paradigm. http://img198.imageshac...

amiga909

for some non-standard piano roll tools:
http://www.encyclospace.org/special/bigbang.m4v

if wanted i'd volunteer in helping to make a specification for midi composing.

amiga909

+1 siegfried

if senso says he's on it, i am sure it will be high quality - with a twist u get nowhere else

amiga909

there are various midi chorder vst plugins that can do the job. some free candidates: az audio domaj // small+ easy topza chordworx ChordSpace // advanced still easy http://www.chordspace.com/ChordSpaceindex.htm mucoder hypercyclic // maybe the best arpeggiator around, also does chording mucoder ton...

amiga909

would love to have a nice and extensive docu for the script module.
i'd offer my help to create it. maybe Senso could advise us how to do it (eg. pointing to relevant ressources)?

amiga909

wooo that would mean eaven without apc could request the infos maybe mmmm you were right about good old school midi ;) just hope they didn't made some weird protect with changing messages as i heard, rumors, rumors, best is to check, no apc here yeah, i am positive that we'll be able to eg. make an...

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cool, i guess the only pb remains live to outputs the clip infos, actually live doesn't send midi infos to a virtual midi port to know if there is a clip or not, it seems it will send it to the apc however, so must be possible to catch it.. yeah, imho, this is what the handshake is about (check the...

amiga909

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/06/15/apc40-hacking-superguide-monome-emulator-midi-tricks-and-the-handshake/ very good resource page. i am not totally sure what the labelling means, but it should be eas y to figure it out, when i get my filthy hands on it in europe :) http://www.cycling74.com/fo...

amiga909

actually it should be pretty easy (simple midi messages; no sysex, no non-midi stuff) to control the APC! from max forum: "Using the midiin/midiout objects: The top left button on the 5x8 clip control grid is 144 53 1, where 144-151 is the entire top horizontal row, 53-57 is the vertical row going d...

amiga909

monomulator is a free MaxMSP monome emulator patch, previously for the padkontrol, now for the APC-40! http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2009/06/13/monomulator-monome/ I feared that u need MaxForLive to be able to control APCs behavior, now it seems standard Max can do it too. really want to know if...

amiga909

u can do this with a script?
bsorks midi note closer uses a 2-dimensional array (which is another term for an array in an array)

dont know what u exactly mean with text manipulation?

amiga909

small addition:
made a demo for midi_rescale (txt, jpg, mp3)
http://www.sensomusic.com/wiki/lib/exe/ ... e_demo.zip

hopefully a bit better than the multiply example.

amiga909

but to my knowledge no other "daw" can reduce midi data sent out sadly.... sonar has such a midi fx. then, there are midi plugins that can do it. good for that job: midiCCstepper by inzertPizHere http://www.thepiz.org/dl/?p=vst Live might not be allow to insert a midi plugin after automation curves...

amiga909

comments above: yes, it depends a lot on the software implementation (and midi interfaces on computer and synth), i was only speaking about the hardware connection limits. in my experience the difference in responsiveness are vast among different devs. dont know why it works better when u go over se...

amiga909

superMidiScripter is a very interesting plugin but IMHO it suits different needs than usines midi scripter. Is the same language has USINE script ? i will try it this sunday afternoon... seems great !! no. in usine its PascalScript with a procedural (or imperative) programming style. in superMidiScr...

amiga909

u can even manually overload the midi bandwidth pretty easily: - midi has a bandwidth of 31.25 kilobytes per second - a 'lightweight' midi message such as CC has 3 bytes: status byte (msg type, channel), data1 byte (CC no), data2 byte (CC value) -> 1000 messages per second are possible - now: say u ...

amiga909

to be precise what I'd love to have: choose patterns by hardware control principally live, xt 1.x and phrazor can do this. FL too? thing is, i'd love to have a contemporary roll in usine cause u can go so much further (loop point manipulation, etc.) - which would let one design midi composing facili...

amiga909

just want to drop another piano-roll nag message. for me its the still a major reason that i cannot use my pianoroll skills in usine. tried to make some beats yesterday again, and its just painful. sorry, to sound so negative. in fact, usine is a wonderful software and its a shame there is no fully ...

amiga909

yes, bsork, remember of having something like this too.. was caused by a midi feedback loop (e.g. if machinedrum receives+sends from computer, u gotta filter incoming clock messages in usine). however, when i got time i still look for integrating a doepfer schaltwerk (8*16 stepseq). this little cur ...

amiga909

in my experience syncing hardware to a computer is generally troublesome. hardware only sync is just better, imho. suggestions: - get a decent midi interface. elektron recommends: http://www.elektron.se/products/?sProd=EA_TM.TM-1&sPage=overview - try to slave usine (hw device as master) i dont know ...

amiga909

..dam the wiki page is gone.
could have sworn i'd has been there..

amiga909

great!!!!!
thanks a lot.
among many other features interactive interface design is getting bloody serious!
amazing u could realize the multicore thing, I am stunned.

amiga909

added a few new scripts. nothing really exciting yet. corrected the chord-on-multiple-outs bug as indicated by bsork. 'rescale' might be interesting, allows simple scale transformations. there also is 'limitCount', an idea by claygues, see here: http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1464...

amiga909

@benjamin: dynamically: means you could eg. record 4 bars, change length to 2 bars, play it, change back to 4 bars and play the full recording.
thanks for your patch, btw! imho would make a nice addon.

@ethnix: interesting! let us know when ur done, or where exactly ur stuck (poly playback?).

amiga909

thanks amiga909 about ": English spelling errors." , I'm not really surprised ! ;-) if you have time you can send me corrections ( musique[@]nay-seven.com ) and i could easily update them....? nahh.. honestly I am too lazy for this ;) above all your tuts are easily readable, nothing important. i am...

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tkx for the jpg, especially the mouse down part I wouldnt have thought of :) another question: what would you do if you want to set the length of the loop to 2,4,8,.. bars (dynamically)? a vst alternative, doing this (I would prefer Usine only): insert piz here: midi looper http://thepiz.org/xt/midi...

amiga909

very well made tutorials.
your videos nicely show how fast usine can be used!
now I can use it faster too

thanks a lot.

only critique: english spelling errors.

amiga909

is it only me, or do you also miss the nice black diamonds to the left of the forum categories when new messages arrive?

amiga909

+1 for multi-select edit

also a 'replace object' thing (eg. u drop one module on another) would be very nice.

amiga909

nay-seven wrote:no midi in/out....?

?
pIn := createParam('in', ptMidi);
pOut := createParam('out', ptMidi);

amiga909

np, mate :) learning scripting: well.. it took me a long time to get into a bit. now it seems much easier but at the beginning i understood nothing. for me the best way was to start with the 1in/1out script and trying different Tparameters (midi, data, notes, switch, button, etc.), and then trying t...

amiga909

forgot to thank you nay-seven for your great efforts :) the GUI looks very nice! did not follow the entire development, sorry. - question: am I right that the development is now on Usine only (no more SE vst)? - idea for improvement: is that the classic midi_transpose script you are using? be aware ...

amiga909

hi cyrille ok, here is a running version. its a bit more complicated now - but u should be able to change params in realtime without getting hanging notes (I can explain..). also i stole your idea and i'll do it a bit more generic (eg. want to try to limitCount midiclock messages, etc.). this versio...

amiga909

hi if u want to try for yourself: I'd use the MOD operator (modulo). and you need to filter and count note on's of course. like: IF ((count >= trunc(getValue(offset))) AND (NOT(count MOD trunc(getValue(step))) = 0)) THEN BEGIN // process message END ELSE BEGIN // filter message, go to next message I...

amiga909

thanks for your promising words +1 for the composers-friendly thing imho, there is nothing to worry about. what you do is extraordinary - talent, enthusiasm and dedication is rare in times of superficial business. if you cut down usine dev for other stuff you need, DO IT. the 'usual' society hardly ...

amiga909

+1
or something like: hold a key while dragging a cable and Usine would connect all outlets<>inlets of 2 modules. example: u have a stereo audio out and ALT+drag to a mixer module would connect both audio wires at once.

amiga909

well...(if I get u) u could copy a vst+midi patch, run the cloned patch at double bpm, record it and timestretch it back to the original bpm? guess, u would like to have something easier: but u gotta consider u had to determine the sampling length in advance anyway, + that sampled version would not ...

amiga909

tried to understand the issue and found this:
http://www.xpfree.org/os_system_ram_lim ... _guide.htm
u both already know about I guess.

amiga909

thanks a lot. very nice piece of code. would not have thought u could create and access ports (Tparameter) dynamically. maybe i'll do a test like gurulogic to compare CPU and RAM usage of the brute-force and the clever way when i get home. though the script isnt more efficient, i might use it, cause...

amiga909

@bsork: thanks for trying. still, if u'd post your result, me and others might learn better programming. in the end there is no way to beat mr. senso as it seems.. dont tell me he also walks on water, i might believe it ;) EDIT: @23fx: for this case I would guess CPU load would not vary significantl...

amiga909

nay-seven wrote:and what about vst / vsti....?
...not easy.....

patches could be saved automatically (best case: fxp format)
dll's itself: impossible (unless its a single dll file without registration).

amiga909

idea: i'd prefer the rather unpopular way of (optionally) storing samples within a .wkp. orion does this, also buffersynth vst by ndc (saves within .fxp). similarily cubase allows to easily archive media pools. it does of course bloat .wkp (or .pat) files: if u deal with large wavs (additionaly the ...

amiga909

I know a script version could be made more effective using a couple of tricks, but no matter how it's constructed, what is most effective will to some extent be dependent on the MIDI data. I'd love to learn more about these tricks. the only thing I could think of is rejecting message types like clo...

amiga909

yeah, the test greatly helped me to understand this efficiency question. first your question: scripts dont recreate modules. afaik its a completely different mechanism: modules are compiled, while scripts are interpreted, which means that the actual code for modules is bytecode that is only readable...

amiga909

EDIT: @guru: u were faster :) yeah, its what I got too (didnt look at the MB usage) here a test. usine modules vs. script. first the mentioned no script version, then the script version with 2x2 chn, and 16x16 chn: http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/uploads.php?file=split2script.gif http://www.sensomu...

amiga909

What do you mean exactly? Even though the MIDI channels are named 1 to 16, technically they're 0-15 AFAIK, if that's what you're referring to. actually I have to apologize. your excellent clearmidinotes and miditransposewithoctavefoldback run perfect. probably it was rather in one of my buggy attem...

amiga909

One quick off-topic question for you: does Csound have fft effects? I'm always looking for ways to get some fft effects ;) never did something with csound but as far as I can remember from a book the answer is yes: yes it does provide a lot of FFT resynthesis stuff, and Csound offered this long bef...

amiga909

interesting +1 for that ableton example. did not consider quadcore yet. and I dont have much knowledge about it. multicore + audio seems pretty confusing however. IMHO apart from the technical possibility Usine could be faster with quadcore, maybe its important to consider that introducing multicore...

amiga909

thanks a lot bsork, u are totally right. corrected the script above and tested it with copy+paste the same piano roll and changing channels. seems to work now. have to check my other scripts for that issue too. thanks again :) btw, in some of your scripts I found a bug with channel 16 messages (chan...

amiga909

here a script. copy+paste in the script module. CORRECTED: (*///////////////////////////////////////////////////// // MEP_splitChn - midi script module for sensomusic usine // version: 2009-03-23 1.0; author: amiga909 // // <Description> // splits midi messages by channel // <Parameters> // none...

amiga909

good suggestion. its just the case I want to use any of the myriads of params. its not always the same, hidden 'cutoff' param for example. a lot of drumatics params come from the graphical envelopes (every point can be automated). however, for plugins or modules without tons of params u can look at ...

amiga909

above all I dont think usine could or should work with csound. and its surely not an easy task.. - CSound provides everything for audio.. mostly except interface and interaction for the user (which seems to be slightly better in the new API). CSound features a lot of well written DSP algos. - CSound...

amiga909

never even dreamed olivier would say the word 'impossible'! so lets forget about it :) for cases like drumatic where I really need this, I can embed drumatic in sonicbytes phrazor vst (sadly abandoned), or just find the correct parameter name with phrazor standalone. above all its really not a big d...

amiga909

there is CsoundVST hwich runs csound programs as vst plugins
http://www.csounds.com/manual/html/Comm ... ndVST.html

afaik cps by bonneville (max alike visual programming) has a easy way to develop with cSound.
http://cps.bonneville.nl/index.php

amiga909

an idea that just came to my mind. touch a module or a vst GUI element and usine somehow locates the corresponding in- and outlet pin on the module view. this could be handy for a vst plugin like drumatic which has hundreds of unnamed parameters and u want to add some modulation to a specific parame...

amiga909

some links to bcr 2k sequencers:

- sequencetron by tuppesoft. standalone, feature rich, was not free.
the site is not reachable now.. http://www.tuppesoft.com/sequencetron.html
- free: http://mars.pingdynasty.com/software.oml
online: http://mars.pingdynasty.com/bcr-steps.oml

amiga909

wasnt impressed..
until I looked at the wkp.
amazing!

full of nice details, will keep me busy to understand this for some time

u really pushed my mental boundaries of what is possible with usine interface design, thanks.

amiga909

thanks. tkx also for the other new addons - severe addon bombing these days :) I hope for other addon creations in the next time, my next pack will take a few months ;) got a question: is there a way to add cycle/bar/beat/quarter/.. sync without external modules (pascal script only)? is this possibl...

amiga909

tkx for the addon.

cannot look at the patch right here and dont understand for which needs this patch can be good?
"varying text": ur midi hardware sends strings?

amiga909

great!
3-4h would be reasonable.
am kinda short on money thu.

great thing, hope I can make it to Paris. would be great to get known to the usine people.

amiga909

reassembled some of the routines from the old MEP script and made individual modules.
..well... not much stayed the same

all MEP scripts try to solve the hanging note problem - if u encounter any hanging notes (or other bugs), I'd be happy to hear about it.

more MEP scripts in the pipeline..

amiga909

+1 I liked this about plogue bidule very much: the module/vst explorer has a search text input on top. the browser automatically locates the pug too. usine's wire-in-empty-space -> context-menu is very useful too :) for me, a search function would be vital for vst's: u can have the best folder struc...

amiga909

And don't forget that even if you can touch several things at the same time, you can't look at two things at the same time... So believe me, you can live without multitouch. had to think about this. if I remind me of using hardware 'multitouch' I need to keep my fingers on the controller while visu...

amiga909

a search function in the browser module is a good idea! alternatively dont install all plugin .dll's in the same folder: usine supports subfolders. dont think its the most needed feature now. ..I'd already dream of a full blown plugin loader manager (with vst thumbnail preview, vst infos, whatever!)...

amiga909

tkx for the information, runagate and 23fx. helped to improve my weak knowledge about touchscreens. if multitouch is gonna boom and sell like hell, singletouch monitor prices will drop? personally I would not mind having a singletouch monitor - but only if I can add another touchscreen later. window...

amiga909

10+ years.
amazing.

wonder how I could overlook usine for so long time?
even a blind hen may sometimes find a grain of corn

amiga909

. you can get a cheap touch pannel on ebay for 70 euros if you can't wait. but I would be a bit angry put 500 euros in a monotouch to see in 6 month multitouch for the same price.. I dont think a 70 euro touchscreen is worth the money... not reliable, not precise enough. my golden rule: never go fo...

amiga909

3) Is the Usine multi-touch compatible yet? Since windows isn't multitouch usine can't be multitouch. Usine will be Multitouch in 6-8 month. what does that mean exactly? ..windows 7 will improve things here, so my post might be obsolete at the time smby reads this ;) I mean, lemur does work with us...

amiga909

interesting. Is he using Usine V5 ? no... maybe he could have saved a lot of time :) list of ingredients: first computer: cubase dll 1 dll 2 generic midi controller (to receive the touchscreen software "buttons" at the right of the touchscreen) A router program a program to control the screen under...

amiga909

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKSXPsLJ6f8 "This guy modified his Behringer controller. He tore out the Behringer controls and put them over a LCD screen. Real hardware controllers over the LCD screen with a glass plate." http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?p=33219425 nothing t...

amiga909

xt has an amazing piano roll.

if u rely on xt for composing, u could use xt 1.x (playing midi tracks) inside usine?

amiga909

great stuff!

amiga909

yup, ur audio patchbay idea is certainly not easy. I tend to work with something similar, but only 8 stereo inputs -> 8 stereo outputs (L/R swtich) if 2* (32*32) really does remain u cannot do a brute-force patch - as martignasse says. 1. internal - conductor: hmmm.. cant think of something right no...

amiga909

nice you found a solution.

about midi learns: dont forget in usine u can also 'hardwire midi learns'. this means you have access to the 'record' button via the remote learn panel OR via the interface modules.
so you can always remap incoming midi controller messages to do exactly what you want!

amiga909

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Re: Need a script

for what do u need this?

what kind of midi data do you put in there?

what kind of array data do you need (eg. format, precision)?

amiga909

hi charles sorry, I misunderstood you. I'd like to see more midi input/output control on the default track sections too. problem might be: audio out section already is quite occupied. if audio 'M' also does midi mute it might be sometimes wanted, sometimes not (especially if you got more than 1 midi...

amiga909

nice to hear smby suggesting more piano roll features - so I am not only one bothering mr. senso ;) for reference about piano roll suggestions: http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=568 Sorry I have do a picture of drum edit adaption but I dont know How to post it in the forum, I mail it...

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