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Kaspar

gurulogic wrote:maybe try with pizmidi midi out to simplify the task? http://thepiz.org/plugins/?p=midiOut

How would I use it, please explain?

Kaspar

Another way would be to switch from Reaper to something else - Live for an example.
Or not use time synced instruments drum-machines, sequencers etc.
Or start with a click or rhythm track with a predetermined tempo.

All those are not to my liking, but I guess I have to.

Kaspar

Usine would be in Reaper as a VST and Mobius inside Usine. The minimal solution would be to just host the other VST-s that need tempo inside Usine VST along Mobius and use Reaper for recording and other VST-s. But if Usine could translate the tempo to something that Reaper understands (MTC I think),...

Kaspar

I don't use Moebis myself, so not sure i can help about it. Maybe some users can help about Usine vst, maybe the better solution would be to synchronize moebius with reaper, as Usine will be synchronized too, no more problems..? Ideally I'd like Reaper to be the slave and Mobius the master - this w...

Kaspar

Seems to work in stand alone, can't test with Usine VST, because I have only the demo version: http://i.imgur.com/lToUX.gif The tempo seems to jump around a bit before it settles down to a value. Also for some reason only the integer part of the value is received. Don't know if this is adjustable so...

Kaspar

Greetings! I was wondering if it's possible to sync Usine to external MIDI clock? More precisely, actually I'm looking for a way to sync some Reaktor VST ensembles to a MIDI clock coming from Mobius looper VST. I'm using Reaper as a DAW to host the VST-s, but Reaper doesn't accept the tempo coming f...

Kaspar

gurulogic wrote:Kaspar, perhaps the 4 stereo outputs is a limitation of Usine free? I can't say for certain in Reaper but in Live I can use 16 stereo pairs.

Yes, perhaps so. I don't think Reaper is the limitation.

Kaspar

ok , i've do a little research and finally see how it works , i've done a little wiki to explain , test it and tell me if it's ok for you . and feel free to complete / ask http://www.sensomusic.com/wiki/doku.php?id=howto:index#using_usine_vst_with_multi_out_in_reaper_here_mobius Thanks! It works as...

Kaspar

sorry , i don't use really the vst version enough to help you with this ... if you find a good way , could you make us a little tutorial ..? Tried it for a couple of hours, but couldn't get the outputs from Mobius' different tracks to separate tracks in Reaper. :( Maybe I'm stupid, but this seems t...

Kaspar

Kaspar, are you aware that if you add more instances of Usine VST on another track in your host, they become additional stereo input and outputs for the main instance of Usine? There are up to 16 stereo pairs from/to usine with this approach I am aware of that, but I haven't yet tried it because I ...

Kaspar

Is this also true for the commercial version?
Any solutions to change that or work around it?

Kaspar

Is it possible to route multiple outputs from the free VST version of Usine? Can't wrap my head around it... For an example: 1) I have a track in the VST host (Reaper), that has Usine on it. 2) Inside Usine I have Mobius VST - using 2 inputs and 16 outputs. I'd like to route these 16 outs to separat...

Kaspar

Oops!
Didn't realize this. I've only tested in Reaper so far.
Did you try the version 1.30h beta?

EDIT: I think I know what you meant - the parameters are available only from the Mobius GUI.

Kaspar

Hi! I have not lately followed these forums, but when I did, I spent a lot of time trying to construct a "perfect" looper in Usine. Being a beginner in Usine patching, it was a rocky road. Well, I found an excellent ready one - Mobius: http://www.zonemobius.com/ It is a Echoplex type looper with a f...

Kaspar

bsork wrote:What memories..? The reason I ask, is that I think some (not all!) of what Amiga909 suggests can be implemented.

Nothing special, just that I once wanted to make something like this.
I had similar thoughts on how to do that theoretically, I just have no idea how to actually patch that.

Kaspar

amiga909 wrote:would it be reasonable to have something like the Sergio Slicer with midi instead of audio?

This brings back memories.

Kaspar

I had a problem with the previous version in Reaper.
Haven't yet tested the new version of Usine.

Kaspar

Very nice tool indeed!
Ingenious interface - so simple to use and to get complex textures.

What would make it more convenient would be a VST version.

Kaspar

let me know if you can advance the midi slicer somehow.. I sort of...improved it - replaced the constant modules with a randomisable array: http://shup.com/Shup/63173/pianoroll_looper_array.png Something weird happens - every 5th bar the pianorolls record/play simultaneously?! Also I can't increase...

Kaspar

Thanks. Seems indeed, that the reordering in a sub-patch creates these "connect to nowhere" wires in a higher level. The not able to select thing happens only occasionally. Sometimes when re-opening such a patch all the wires have been disconnected :( Now, I have managed to get some randomisation ou...

Kaspar

Little bit confused - a mix of inexperience and strange software behaviour. Here's the patch I tried to construct: http://shup.com/Shup/62882/rnd_law_slicenum.png But nothing seems to be happening with the play order. If I connect the synchro 16th to the button of RND Law Generate, the playback just...

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Kaspar

I'm not sure how Live works, but in Reaper for an example you can simply select what to record - audio/midi in/out, etc.

In the Bassliner patch you have to add and connect a MIDI out module.

This is at least how I could make it work.

Kaspar

this kind of thing can be very hard to implement. The Data/Random/Random Law Generator, will do the job - set the length of the array module to the number of slices (3 in you example). - set the max to the same value the nth bar of the array will represent the probability that the slice nth will be...

Kaspar

Thanks, just noticed your reply.
I'll try it out.

Maybe it'd be good to have a "threads with new posts" selection at the root level of the forum?
I think this would be the easiest way to see all new posts with a single click - just a thought.

Kaspar

amiga909 wrote:let me know if you can advance the midi slicer somehow.. your idea about slicing notes only (and do not consider time intervals) is something to think deeper about

Thanks, I will try.
I'll think deeper, although there's a limit to my deepness at the moment that is quite shallow

Kaspar

Here's a few examples I recorded with amiga909's solution to PianorollSlicer: http://www.kaspartorn.eu/audio/KasparTORN_Pianoroll_Madness_03.mp3 http://www.kaspartorn.eu/audio/KasparTORN_Pianoroll_Madness_02.mp3 http://www.kaspartorn.eu/audio/KasparTORN_Pianoroll_Madness_01.mp3 They are similar, the...

Kaspar

Wow!

No wonder I couldn't come up with it myself.
There are a lot of wires!

Will try it out, thanks.

Kaspar

Another idea. What if: 1) There aren't a fixed number of slices, but they are generated by note on messages. 2) Possibly adjust how many note ons it takes to define a slice. 3) Even if it's just one note per slice, it'd be a little different than simply rearranging the notes end to end, because each...

Kaspar

amiga909 wrote:3. automate the record button. local sync and a modulo operation turn off and on the 4 piano rolls consecutively

Well, tried, but as I'm a patching noob, I couldn't make it happen.
Could you elaborate on this part a bit?

Kaspar

Thanks, lots of information to consider here.
I'll have to digest it for a while

Kaspar

The Only reason I can think of, is that if you play the same notes as the ones you've recorded, you'll get into trouble... No, not the same notes. So this is a mystery... Just in case it's user error, here's the screenshot of my patch in question: http://shup.com/Shup/61621/10881011217-My-Desktop.p...

Kaspar

Yeah, me too

Kaspar

Hi! Another question: how to use random with probability? 1) I would like to control the slice order in LiveSlicer/Looper patch. Instead of just randomising the order, I'd like to have a "probability" control for each slice - it would control the probability in % that the slice will retain it's orig...

Kaspar

Maybe quad makes more sense, when Usine is used as a VST in a host, like Reaper for an example?

Kaspar

While waiting for other answers ;) I have an additional question - when I've recorded a MIDI passage to the PianoRoll and I play my keyboard at the same time the MIDI is playing back, occasionally some notes are dropped and sometimes a note would hang for a while. Any ideas, what could be the reason...

Kaspar

Is it possible to "slice" a MIDI cycle recorded into the piano-roll?
And then randomise the order of playback...

A behaviour similar to the LiveSlicer patch, but for MIDI.

Thanks!

Kaspar

That would be interesting.

Sorry to say I have no answer to you.
So far I've only entertained a thought of getting Native Kontrol Custom, but not bought it because of doubts of it's usefulness for my applications:

http://www.nativekontrol.com/

Kaspar

Thanks!

My main problem right now is that the VST version doesn't like my system for some reason.

But that's another topic.

Kaspar

Thanks!

I got the randomize going at specific cycle counts - sounds cool!

But I don't understand the Data Selector/Dispatcher usage.
Used trial and error, but at these complexities it simply doesn't give results.

You've been a great help already.

Kaspar

Any pointers?

How to randomize slices on specified number of cycles?

And...

How to automatically store/retrieve these randomizations at another specified cycle counts?

Which of these stored randomizations is to be retrieved is another tough decision - maybe a RND between stored slots...

Kaspar

I investigated some and I could get the random values to the Array Editor. Now I don't understand how to save them automatically and later retrieve them. Right now, if I press RND, new values are stored to the Array Editor. I could store the values manually with the "Preset" module though. Also, how...

Kaspar

Hi! I'm trying to figure out ways how to make a patch that will record a loop of my playing and then rearranging it in varying ways over time. It could be either audio or MIDI, if one is simpler, I'd start with that. For now it seems that the "Live Looper Slicer" patch would be a good starting point...

Kaspar

Thanks, my mistake, that did it!

Now I wonder if I want to sync it to master, should I:
1) Insert MasterSync module
2) Connect it's cycle pos output to Piano Roll's sync input?

Kaspar

Didn't consider the pianoroll

Well, tried and back again...

I get an error: "Internal In Buffer Switch Time Info" if I insert the SeqMIDI module and press play.

http://shup.com/Shup/56841/pianoroll_error.png

How is it done right?

Kaspar

Hi again! I said I was going to practice ;) I want to build a MIDI looper in Usine. Something like the Multiplayer X5, but for MIDI. What would be the best way to do it? Here's my feeble attempt at it: http://shup.com/Shup/56832/midi_looper_attempt.png Half the patch is just me using trial and error...

Kaspar

Thanks for the tip.
Have a great vacation!

I'll practice my patching until then.

Kaspar

Standalone version of Usine works fine.
Seems that only the VST doesn't play well on my system for some reason.

Kaspar

Well, no luck going simple.
I had a crash to desktop without a warning (I was deleting a wire) in about 10 min of working.

So, now I'll try the stand alone version.

Kaspar

OK, good that Reaper and Usine can work together. But not so good that I don't know what the problem is :) I'm not sure how to test it, maybe make the setup as simple as possible and see if that helps? Right now I have many instruments routed in Reaper to Usine. Also I have a guitar processor pedal ...

Kaspar

I'm not sure if I did everything right but by adding this patch, the performance becomes a bit iffy (crashing). I'm using Usine VST version in Reaper. When I try to erase this wire (see link), I get an error in Usine and Reaper crashes. http://stashbox.org/183605/usine_vst_in_reaper_crash.png Actual...

Kaspar

Thanks, I'll try it.

Kaspar

After a long hiatus, I'm working again on my sampler patch/workspace.

I've found now, that I need to quantize the rec on/off button press on a sampler (such as in Multiplayer X5) to the nearest division of the current tempo.

How can this be made?

Thanks!

Kaspar

maxdis wrote:Melody Assistant

or

Harmony Assistant

http://www.myriad-online.com

Thanks for the suggestion.
Can it handle the points I listed above?

Kaspar

stanlea wrote:Does Lilypond have midi output ?

Yes, you can convert the result to a MIDI file:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documenta ... IDI-output

Kaspar

A worthy addition:

PWGL
http://www2.siba.fi/PWGL/enp.html

Bit more than just a notation program.
Have to test it though...

Kaspar

Hi! Does anybody know a notation software that: 1) Is low-price/free 2) Handles polymetric notation 3) Can notate multiple tempi on parallel staves 4) Option to omit time signature and bar lines 5) Tuplets such as 4:3 and 8:6 6) Has MIDI output ? So far I've found out these: LilyPond - the closest n...

Kaspar

Agreed with Senso for the search function.

I've already had a hard time finding some modules while following other users suggestions.

Kaspar

Is it possible to use convolution based guitar amp sims as a reverb unit by just loading a reverb impulse?

Then you could use Boogex or Kefir.

Come to think of it, they are probably mono...

Kaspar

This is quite good - the Japanese MIDI editor "Domino":
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/eidenk/Tem ... nglish.zip

A screenshot and some information:
http://www.cockos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21774

Kaspar

Hi! Don't know if it's my "best", but here's one that might be suitable: http://www.kaspartorn.eu/audio/Kaspar%20TORN%20-%207%20Kitarri%203%20-%202007-05-07.mp3 I usually make more rock-oriented music, like this one: http://www.kaspartorn.eu/audio/Kaspar%20TORN%20-%20Acid%202008-03-10.mp3 They are f...

Kaspar

senso wrote:The next version will contain several new basic sampling tools. Will be a good starting point.

Nice to hear!

Any estimate when the next version will be out?

Although it's a slow start, my patch is beginning to be usable with the help from you guys.

Just bear with me a little while

Kaspar

The "bar len" output is the one between "cycle dur" and "bar pos" on the synchro module, but I can see from your screensshot that you've opted for the opposite soloution; letting the recording govern bar lenght/tempo, not the other way around. :) I didn't exactly opt for this solution. If it came o...

Kaspar

You're probably trying to connect the "bar len" input to B - not the output. Inputs are to the left of the modules, outputs to the right, but if a parameter is both the name is located to the left. Well that's what I thought, but there's only a "bar led" output, not "bar len", Is this right? Anyway...

Kaspar

For example, to calculate the length in milliseconds for a 4th, you'd use a synchro module and a A/B module. Connect "bar dur" to A and "bar len" to B. To set a loop length equal to the length calculated in the A/B, use another A/B and divide the output of the first with "len" from a sampler module...

Kaspar

Thanks bsork and moody33!

I'll have to test these tips.

So there the max rec time was all along, while I was blindly gazing at it

Kaspar

senso wrote:PS: you can specify the recording length in the sample with the 'max rec time' control.

Back already...
Can't find this control anywhere.

Also, how to set the loop length in bars, 4ths etc (now it is in %)?

BTW I'm experimenting with the Multiplayer X5 patch.

Kaspar

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I see it makes sense to take the modular approach and construct lots of simple patches. That way I can also start to make music with Usine sooner rather than wait until I get my patching chops up to par with the best (which may never happen). I'll get patching then and be ...

Kaspar

Hi! I would like to create a composing/improvising tool wit Usine. The problem is that I'm a complete noob and don't know where to star with this project. It seems to be a very complicated one to be starting out with. The following link explains my goals a little better than I can with text: http://...

Kaspar

did you try the Echoplexx patch in the library? Not yet, sorry! I'll try that and see if it does what I want. As I haven't purchased Usine yet I don't know, maybe something in the add-ons is similar and even more advanced... There in the link I posted, the main topic wasn't Echoplex per se, it just...

Kaspar

I'm not a gold member, but I might be :) I'm not sure, maybe something like this already exists in Usine library. I'm thinking in the lines of RAM recording, looping overdubbing, making different independent loops, switching/manipulating them - sort of a live compositional tool. Loop record lengths ...

Kaspar

Thanks, interesting video material!

Thanks also for bringing the "ixi" soft to my knowledge.

Kaspar

Anyway, in answer to your post, at the moment my first steps in using e usine are basically like a version of ableton live that's satisfying to use. i use grid mode exclusively just at the moment, (the conductor is wonderful for very quickly trying out different arrangements) though i haven;t even ...

Kaspar

Hi! I have tested your program only a couple of days now and i find it very inspiring. Everything about it - the idea, the looks... Sorry about the long post, but I'm only starting :) For now I'm more of a "everything planned out" type of a composer, but I've always wanted to go into a more live, im...

Kaspar

Hi!

Nice videos, thanks!

BTW, this is my first post here...

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