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FarfadetFarfelu

Yep thanks it works fine with write on the first pass and overdub on next passes.

Oh well, back to the clicking problem.

FarfadetFarfelu

Hello, I'm not doing an overdub, i'm just doing the first recording. > Set the sampler to overdub (and loop mode). > Press record > The sampler is recording your sound > Press record > The sampler starts playing, sometimes at the beginning of the loop, sometimes elsewhere. Then you can do an overdub...

FarfadetFarfelu

Hello again, i tried with auto-restart on and off : no change.

After i press record for the second time, sometimes it plays from the beginning of the loop, sometimes it starts wherever it wants.

FarfadetFarfelu

Ok i have another problem with the sampler, using the audio record patch : > Sampler in overdub and "play loop" modes > Press record, press record again, cool the sampler plays automatically BUT it does not always start at the beginning of the loop ! It seems to start playing randomly at whatever po...

FarfadetFarfelu

The dreaded huge glitch happens at the end of the first loop. It is needed to crossfade to the second sampler before the end of the first loop point (where the crack sound is). Duration - something i guess. I'm sure it is possible to hack a solution with the two samplers idea but i believe this is s...

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FarfadetFarfelu

Hello, I tried different block sizes up to 256 and different graphic refresh rates. The sampler records a click/glitch in the audio at the start/end of the loop. To fix the problem, it is possible to do a fade in on record start and a fade out before the record ends on the input of the sampler. But ...

FarfadetFarfelu

Hello Yes it works thank you ! I had not seen the "play loop" button in addition to the play button. In overdub mode, there is still the "clicking" sound problem at the end/start of the loop. When you do several overdubs it ends up sounding like vinyl. I have found a way to add a fade on the output ...

FarfadetFarfelu

Hello, the new sampler seems quite different from the old one. With the old one in loop mode, when you stop the recording the playing starts automatically and the sample plays over and over again. With the new sampler in free loop mode, when you stop the recording : nothing happens. Then when you pr...

FarfadetFarfelu

Well back with the same questions Now in hollyhock.
So is the above still True or has hollyhock changed things regarding the handling of latency ?
Thanks.

FarfadetFarfelu

Hello,
Is VST version still on the map for Hollyhock II ?
Thanks.

FarfadetFarfelu

The HD3000 driver came out just a few days after my previous post, and i have now reinstalled win 8.1 with HH 201.03.012c : from the first tests it seems to be working fine !

FarfadetFarfelu

I understand

, for now i'm using busses to have real independant parallel inputs on a rack.

FarfadetFarfelu

Thanks for all the explanations.
i ended up putting the same number of busses on every audio path to be sure the latency is the same.

FarfadetFarfelu

Thanks it works in version K. i have another request for the additionnal in/outs. Lets say we have an add out on rack 1 and an add in on rack 2. on the vertical racks window, it would be great to be able to drag and drop add in on the add out to connect them just like the devices or racks ! Thanks.

FarfadetFarfelu

it worked great on my other computer but i just had a very bad experience when going from 8.0 to 8.1 on my laptop. Everything installed fine but in usine i got very weird stuff in the interface builder (things disappearing and reappearing when passing the mouse) and same thing in the patch windows. ...

FarfadetFarfelu

Thank you for your answers, it helps a lot to know the general rules and principles. i still have a few questions, maybe the best way is to use an example. i have a clean audio signal travelling through 4 different paths in parallel and then going to a mixer inside usine : 1 : rack one (input > wire...

FarfadetFarfelu

is there a way to test latency in usine hollyhock ?
Thanks.

FarfadetFarfelu

Thanks a lot for the 256 bloc fix, works fine now !:)

FarfadetFarfelu

You might be confusing the irq number and the priority, i don't believe those are directly related as in irq 1 has higher priority than irq 2. You can do some testing and find out which usb port on your computer is the "1E26" on iRQ23 and use this one for the soundcard, it might be better than a usb...

FarfadetFarfelu

here : (and it works with win 8). http://www.sensomusic.com/wiki2/doku.php?id=hollyhock:tips:irq_priority basically i had two big master audio vu meters on my patch that were really making everything click early. So yeah i really wonder if this could be further optimized, it seems strange that they ...

FarfadetFarfelu

Same here, but optimizing my laptop really helped. The crackles appeared to be graphic related as closing the interface builder stopped the crackes. - First i checked the iRQs and realized the usb port i was using for the soundcard was the same irq as the graphic card ! moved the soundcard to anothe...

FarfadetFarfelu

it appears it is not possible to rename the additionnal inputs and outputs. i have a patch with several additionnal ins and outs. in the rack window they are all called "add in" and it gets very confusing to find the correct one to patch, a miswire can cause huge feedback loops so i suggest there is...

FarfadetFarfelu

Another question, do audio busses introduce latency ?

For example

Rack 1 = latency 128
Audiobus send in rack 1 - Get Audiobus in rack 2 = latency 128
Rack 2 = latency 128

total from rack 1 input to rack 2 output = 128 x 3 ?

FarfadetFarfelu

Let's say we have three racks, and usine is setup to 128 bloc size. is it correct to say that that each rack has a 128 (whatever it is in milliseconds) latency ? if the racks are in series : rack 1 > rack 2 > rack 3 then the total workspace latency will be 128 x 3 ? if i have only (audio input > wir...

FarfadetFarfelu

Yes thany you for your idea with the smooth module. Like i explained in my post, i already made several subpatches to do this, one delays the mute, another one is a ramp down to turn the effect of progressively etc... But 30 VST's = 30 subpatches = lots of space and cpu devoted to this simple task. ...

FarfadetFarfelu

Currently the volume module has 4 smooth speeds : fast medium slow very slow it would be very interesting to have more variants, especially a mode with fast mute and slow unmute at the same time. Currently i am using a mute after every VST effect to avoid the clicking sound they do when bypassed and...

FarfadetFarfelu

i think the problem is solved, it is necessary to select motorized + mackie control !
I really don't know how i missed that.
Thanks !

FarfadetFarfelu

It's DIY based on the livid instruments Brain Jr with 18 switches and 18 leds.

lividinstruments.com, they mainly sell finished midi controllers.

Do you think the problem comes from the controller ? It seems to work well because the leds turn on when usine generates a midi out.

FarfadetFarfelu

Yes mackie mode : no midi out what so ever. In mackie mode, The mouse click on the switch does not send midi ouput to the controller (no midi out in the trace panel) and when i turn on the switch with the midi controller is it the same thing, no midi out. It's a simple midi controller it only unders...

FarfadetFarfelu

Al i tried to use a switch A connected to a switch B, when switch A turns on, switch B follows it.
The midi controller turns on switch A and the switch B is supposed to send a midi note out in motorized mode, but it's not working either.

FarfadetFarfelu

Hello I'll try to explain my situation here. I have a midi controller sending note on/note off signals into usine to control a switch > it works, the switch toggles on and of. I have the switch configured in motorized mode so that it sends a midi out NOTE ON signal to control the LED on my midi foot...

FarfadetFarfelu

I think i found a solution for my needs, basically a short fade triggered X ms before the end of the loop to mute the clicking sound. The mute is placed on the output of the sampler. It has the advantage of being consistent whether the loop is 5 seconds or 5 minutes, the mute will always be triggere...

FarfadetFarfelu

I'm starting to really like HollyHock, great work !!

FarfadetFarfelu

I agree with the need to kill the clicking in overdub mode, it's probably a matter of implementing a better cross fade ?
What was said in 2009 is still true

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http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1801

If there is a way, i have not been able to find it.

FarfadetFarfelu

I'm using a looper in overdub mode for some guitar looping ala BOSS RC-20 style. I think i may have noticed an "unwanted feature" : when i FIRST record something in the loop, the sampler passes the signal on its wet output at the same time. Then when i stop the recording, play the loop, overdub stuf...

FarfadetFarfelu

I agree this is a real problem, I did a small sub-patch for this : http://thebin.free.fr/Usine/SilentActivationV3.jpg I don't usually use the bypass path inside the VST so i use a mute to kill the signal after the vst. What happens here is that when you press on the bypass switch to turn on the effe...

FarfadetFarfelu

Yes it corresponds to the grid size, the bug seems to have something to do with the snapping, it moves the vu meters when snapping another object.

FarfadetFarfelu

Okay, here is a better video, 20 seconds, no extreme manipulations :

Here you go

FarfadetFarfelu

Well, i do those manipulations in order to make the bug happen as fast as possible (40 seconds). ;) But like soundmind said, it happens even when being more subtle. And like 23fx23 says, after countless hours with usine, i have interiorised strategies and workarounds for it not to happen ! I happene...

FarfadetFarfelu

I am using grid size = 14.
I had a few problems with your patch after i set all the grid sizes to 14.
Video : Here

FarfadetFarfelu

Okay i did a video, notice how the vertical Vu Meters get scrumbled when i push the block to the left at the end.

Video Example

FarfadetFarfelu

I also had the items lose their placement a few times when moving things in the interface panel.
It's hard to tell on what occasion this happens, it always comes as a bad surprise.

FarfadetFarfelu

Okay, thank you very much for the guidance, i got it working with the filter and other canal !!

The midi learn is still only reading the midi data from the input, but we have a nice workaround.

FarfadetFarfelu

Well i tried a few days ago with the send midi to usine and it didn't work for what i wanted to do, i just tried again to make sure, i think gurulogic is right, weird things happen when using the midi to usine for that purpose. Edit : i'm afraid entering the values manually in the remote panel does ...

FarfadetFarfelu

Yes i understand, perhaps an option in the menus is better.
Thank you for looking into it, although it's not the most essential thing.

FarfadetFarfelu

As it is now, it seems that the midi learn function takes the midi data only from the global midi input, It would be cool to be able to modify the midi data (transpose etc) before it arrives to the midi learn function. This would allow to expand the use of some midi controllers. Maybe In the global ...

FarfadetFarfelu

Yes that's not very practical... what would work for me : a button in the dashboard to open the patch editing window of whatever track or subpatch is active, the button would then be assignable to whatever shortcut via the key learn function.
I'm tired of the double clicking.

FarfadetFarfelu

Nothing fundamental but this would simplify my life in Usine.

If there is such a shortcut to open the patch editor, i don't seem to find it.

FarfadetFarfelu

I can't wait, fabulous new possibilities, and the resizable graphic elements come just when i need them !

Are the patches and worspaces made with Usine 4.22 compatible with Usine 5 ?

FarfadetFarfelu

Thanks a lot, i used your patch Yan, and i think i succeeded in doing the basic multilayer looper i need. The samplers all start recording with the first (base) sample to make sure they are synchronised. Multiple overdub passes can be done on each layer, and the overdubbed sound starts playing back ...

FarfadetFarfelu

Hello Olivier, I retried the Echoplexx patch but i'm afraid the inability to overdub multiple passes into an existing loop (to build a huge wall of sound) is still a problem with the multiple layer method. Example of the problem using the Echoplexx patch : I record a ten second loop in the base trac...

FarfadetFarfelu

A few problems i have noticed with the sampler, and a few suggestions : - The usual looper tools for live instruments (jamman, boss rc20) have an overdub feature to record material within the boundaries of a previously recorded loop. With the Usine sampler, the overdub keeps recording until the max ...

FarfadetFarfelu

Tada ! Super cool thx !

FarfadetFarfelu

I use a lot of VSTs in Usine, and it's really useful to be able recall the VST GUI windows automatically when i activate a VST plugin so that i can tweak things and visualize what's happening in realtime. So far so good. I like to position the VST GUIs on the right of my screen, the problem is Usine...

FarfadetFarfelu

Wow thanks guys, it works great !

Now if only the position of the VST window was saved with the workspace, it would be absolutely perfect !

FarfadetFarfelu

How can i get usine to show a VST or VSTi when a patch is activated and hide the vst when the patch is turned off ? I can control the "patch active" module with a switch and the "show VST" with a separate button. How could i control both the patch active module and show pin of the VSts with just one...

FarfadetFarfelu

DX wrote:Hello I'm a new french Usine user and i would like to say thanks to senso for this great appz !

Same here. Thanks !

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