the square V2.0

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 10 Jun 2009, 07:57

edit v2.2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIMOLI2eTQ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JO1nLrT1rw

updated V2 of the square.

got a pb with my camera, will try to make a video tutorial soon.
new features:

XY gestion: each cell can now act as a local XY. 256 stored XY on/off status. XY can be relative or absolute (with default value ajustable), in relative it checks previous value (cool to avoid jumps controlling faders). 16x either X,Y or booth recordable automations with independant lengh (from 4bar to 1/16), speed and shift/roll. (enless looper like)

Ableton live gestion: at any time can swich between normal mode and ableton grid, the square can then scroll X and Y to navigate into the liveset. feedback to check if clip is loaded. for now max 8 tracks, of 64 clips easy tab 1-4 5-8. (later easy extendable)

better global paching with new 4.22 modules (you need that version) and preset changes is now quasi instantanous.
(capted the power of preset manager in local mode)

all infos inside the pach, workspace application with 2 synth.
hope youll like it.

addons other

thanks to bsork for caption script, martignasse for HSL modules, and of course master senso

YouTube · Unread post by **senso** » 10 Jun 2009, 08:15

another master piece!

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 10 Jun 2009, 08:17

thanks a lot, could'nt do this without your great work with martignasse!

bsork · Unread post by **bsork** » 10 Jun 2009, 08:26

Wow - I think I will have to check this out as soon as I have time!

fractal · Unread post by **fractal** » 10 Jun 2009, 13:55

Masterpiece !!!

I'm goin to try this today.

Thank's 23FX23 !
(can't wait to see the video tutorial by the creator

)

bye

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 10 Jun 2009, 18:36

wait a bit, found a better routing sheme for sequencers to easy use velocity, and add a few things like onoff/ color shift and Y to lum ( then on off are a diferent color and adjusting Y adjust velocity and luminosity, seems better..) will repost soon.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 10 Jun 2009, 19:46

amazing job !!
thanks a lot 23fx !

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 10 Jun 2009, 19:52

thanks, really found a better/more modular way using bus, for exemple request the 16Xvalues of p 05 would be
getting the bus SQ_X_P05 , so i could makes XYZ busses we could use the way we want with sequencers or other,
arf now editing my thousand bus names hehe...syntax syntax

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 10 Jun 2009, 20:19

héhé..you said "addict".....?
scoop : senso is a drug dealer...
.

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 10 Jun 2009, 21:15

hehe yeah and it's far more hard to go get rid off than any other drug, every night a litlle dose hehe

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 12 Jun 2009, 00:44

new version soon, doubled capacity: 128 clips for live mode, 3x 512 XYZ arrays, 32 preset pages. added color and sat shift for on offs, fixed various minor bugz, arrays are now stored when saving the pach, reset page fonction for xy/on offs.
no more weird arrays outputs, only busses that cannot be in conflict with other part of the pach will make a list with all accessible bus description when finished. maybe this we with a little vid.. but start to be long when wiring;;;arf olivier help, why.

ethnix73 · Unread post by **ethnix73** » 12 Jun 2009, 01:18

Ouch!!!

The ultimate add-on?

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 14 Jun 2009, 06:56

hi guys, after 3days or depaching. repaching all with bus names., more clean fixed weird stuff i had quicly made,
beter centralizing presets for maintenance, better tracking of changes for cpu (still a bit high but correct for what it can access ) removed some wait ones, bref, better and doubled capacity: 32 pages 512XYZ. color and sat shift for on, reset current XY/Z set tuto inside and list box with cool busses names and description.
start to be cool now.
ouf, tonight maybe little vid.

v2.1 addons/other

edit a litlle video preview, no sound:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JO1nLrT1rw

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 14 Jun 2009, 15:13

well done ! and great job ! but why no sounds !!!
( there's a record red button on the the top of Usine you know...

and if you need help to add/mix the sound and video..don't hesitate..

we need sound
we need sound...

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 14 Jun 2009, 17:32

yup sound version soon, what do ya use for edit? usually i got all that need on my "job" laptop, but here that's the "sound only" one..

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 14 Jun 2009, 17:56

I'm used to vegas 7...

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 14 Jun 2009, 18:14

ok, thanks, will try it.

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 24 Jun 2009, 17:10

ok here is it: first test with sound of latest version, sorry not top notch quality, and a bit dark, but more intersesting than silence i hope

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIMOLI2eTQ4

bsork · Unread post by **bsork** » 25 Jun 2009, 07:34

Very impressing!

amiga909 · Unread post by **amiga909** » 25 Jun 2009, 14:32

fantastic!
truly pioneer work!

ethnix73 · Unread post by **ethnix73** » 25 Jun 2009, 19:15

Yes, really impressing, hard and creative work 23fx23!!!!

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 25 Jun 2009, 20:00

thanks guys, it's now working not bad, ive made an easy midi mapping section and a different labelling (clic a cell, directly type from keyboard if "edit text" is enabled"
the only boring thing now it's a bit high on cpu, im working a bit more on it and should post a bit later the 2.3 version RC

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 28 Jun 2009, 19:29

yop guys a new square is out v2.3
highly recommended update

change log:
_all resized: found it was too small with touch screen.
_no more pre=set caption list, directly label cells from keyboard even in ib.
_possibility to quickset colors of cell via XY (X is hue, Y lum)
_advanced midi mapping menu: can click a cell and sets what it should send for X,Y, and Z.
can be set: midich, mess type, CC/note nb, value 1(when clic/enable) , value2 (when release/disable) note on are auto set off on release. routing matrix that allow val1 and 2 to be X or Y. this allow for example to set a Y value, and Z will send the value on mouse release. sequencer midi settings with routing matrix (vel,gate,pich to XYZ or setted values, midi settings for automation.
all can be bypassed/soloed for easier assign when using midi learn.
_linked to this idea, Z, and XY can be temp muted to not affect the arrays (ie to set notes before enabling a cell).
_ the 16X,Y,Z can be reset on the current page independantly, or together for the 32pages.
_new storing for the XYZ arrays to make patterns and swich on the fly nicely (16)
_fader to display the notes names.
_various bug fixs and visual adjust, new leds blinking on notes and a try of technoish XY representation
_grid usable without live.

only boring: long to wire(senso help is this the undos) and a bit high on cpu, but tested as very powerfull imo

you shouldn't have to wire anyway, as either you can use the buid in midi, or you can bypass it if pro user and can tweak using
the busses in another subpach outside the square., there is a description of usefull busses.

help tut inside the pach, directly midi routed synth example, if ya need don't hesitate.
hope ya enjoy.

ps need beta testing especially on the text function, ive got a weird semi working keyboard mapping as i use a mac on w7,
so would like to know if the system i chose work on other computers..

edit: ive just reopened on init there is something wrong have to go to midi and enable then disable "dispach preset" then should be ok, try with the preset "zylophen on helios,
addonns/other

VjRobotX · Unread post by **VjRobotX** » 20 Feb 2010, 16:15

Hello

I want to congratulate the work of 23fx23 very impressed.

I hope one day to do the same

but before that, I wonder if (the Square V.2 ..) and available and
if so, where can I find

Again, congratulations and thank you in advance for your reply

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 20 Feb 2010, 17:04

hi vjrobotx, thanks

the square was my "big patch" made in usine V4, I need to reupdate it for usine V5, that's why we removed it for now,
actuallly I hesitate restarting from scratch cause v5 allow so much new things. or updating it, but
i think i will try to first make it compatible as soon as i can, i ll let you know!

YouTube · Unread post by **senso** » 20 Feb 2010, 17:08

cool++

VjRobotX · Unread post by **VjRobotX** » 20 Feb 2010, 19:29

thank you for your reply and I stay tuned for the future release of this wonderful program and everyone that you can put on canvas

merci beaucoup et encore bravo !!!

VjRobotX · Unread post by **VjRobotX** » 21 Feb 2010, 02:29

Hi I have a question

For me, a video that my desire to get into the live
(touch) is the video if you can find below.

do you think it is easy to develop the same interface (version
Ableton)

Semple assign a carrer, assign effects, volume, filter.

I would love to start creating a wordspace in this sense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ais9x25 ... re=related

gurulogic · Unread post by **gurulogic** » 21 Feb 2010, 03:21

This type of control and much more for Live is absolutely possible via midi from Usine. This should be easy! Even better, with Usine VST you can save your setups as part of Ableton project files.

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 21 Feb 2010, 16:47

yup, I know well this video,
it can be done, and much more as said, but not in first week you open usine, it will take a little time to catch usine basic concept and modules, but once you ve understood, it can be done in less than a week patching.

square v2 was not multitouch but already implemented a live grid for 8tracks on up to 128 scenes, with feedback from live.
and 32 pages of 16 Xy controls assignable to anything in live, with colors and captions, and 16Xy cc could be recorded/sync looped.

square v3 will be multitouch and will certainly have all these features and much more....

if you want to make your hands on to make your own version, i suggest you to experiment with upcoming matrix pack,
or create several "image panel" or buttons and understand how to create midi messages from it. you can really easy create a basic grid. then later if you want to be able to scroll, to make complex manipulations with feedback from live, a solid understanding of arrays is needed i think, but don't hurry, take your time to explore all modules, and don't hesitate asking if Q..

gurulogic · Unread post by **gurulogic** » 22 Feb 2010, 01:53

I must be misundertanding the complexity of what is happening in that video because to me it seems easy to use some midi interface object patches and arrange the pretty buttons, faders and knobs in the IB to launch clips and control most any parameter in Live with feedback to Usine...I'm sure we can get a lot more complicated but a basic setup is easy I think.

23fx23,
have you at all tried to access the LiveAPI via OSC from Usine? I am still completely noob at these type of things but it seems we should be able to get clip names and all kinds of other realtime info into Usine from Live via OSC, right?

Here's the LiveOSC page in case you have no idea what the hell I'm talking about: http://monome.q3f.org/wiki/LiveOSC

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 22 Feb 2010, 02:30

yes,a basic grid like in this video, is really easy you're right, just some buttons that generate midi, faders as you say and you're done in less than 10mn.
personnally i have a high tendency to make things complex when i could keep on staying simple

at the time ou want a working/updating scroll, things complicate a bit, especially with feedback/colors, ect..
but why make it complex sometimes...

yup i play around a few months ago with liveOsc, but it was a little hard to get working, I managed to control simple commands like tempo, but i gave up at the time of controling clips cause i needed to send osc messages that i thought usine couldn't send like word,integer,integer or something like that ( it could comes from elewhere). but i should definitevely retry as it could really simplify the task and maybe the liveosc project has evolved since that time.

the actual system is midi based and really boring to decode, first each clip needs a CC assigned, then it send out 0 value went stop, 127 when trigg, 126 when loaded, 1 when playing, having to decode this for all tracks is a bit complex...

ill recheck this, i would love to truely get the color and caption from live, it's a really old big challenge but since the lemur actually can, it must be possible. thanks for my old first challenge reminder..

i imagine how many live user would enjoy that, having a clip grid with names and colors, on multitouch screen, it's a graal for many, actuay only 2 expensive solutions exist: lemur or max msp, providing a usine/usine free version would be awesome...
let's try but im afraid ableton didn't suported osc because of their deal with max., every update seems to change a bit in names that make maintenance a bit hard, at least that was the point when i was interested in the project,...maybe it has envolved since..

edit: as i quick checked it seems it has been updated for live8, so it seems really positive

and updating is a doable thing after all..

roooo and i just checked V5 osc updates woooow oh yeah seems possible now!
arf why don't i have long nights holidays..

VjRobotX · Unread post by **VjRobotX** » 22 Feb 2010, 21:31

I think that is really good in (The Square) is the technical possibilities that are offered is impressive!

yes in the video, there are plenty of color and style is great with lots of square is cool when did a live.
it's simple and effective, I love it!

Now, as you read, I think there probably the possibility of having

one side, this side visual simple and attractive in color and design,.
must be put in full view, (if I just say it like that).

On the other hand, with plenty of ability and technique as the square, and more.

Now, if I had the choice between SQUARE and the system we see in the video is on it's Square that I choose, by chance is much more technical possibility.

I really see a fusion of: style, simplicity and technology

I still want to say that despite everything that I could see everything on the current program I have great confidence in the ability and unique style of cedric, for me it is a program much easier and more attractive as Max / msp

I am more than eager to know more about this program to perform real challenge as the say so 23fx23

I apologize for my bad spelling because I am Swiss and I speak French and English but unfortunately I did not write.
I am obliged to translate it with Google Translation

thank you for your understanding ^_^

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 22 Feb 2010, 22:04

no worry i think we understand

made good psytrance parties in swiss

the best patch will certainly not be this one in maxmsp, or my square, but the one that you will make, with the features/simplistic ratio you want, that mach your needz, and only . usine is the ultimate tool for that, building adaptative personnal setup!

im affraid i prefer restarting square from scratch, using osc and new v5 possibilities, and simplify it a bit, trying to have a good ratio performances/simplicity as you point, it's really important. sadly im totally overbusy for now...but will find the time..

by the way go and try to make one!
it worth (imo) spending a bit amount of time checking avaible items, and the "learn usine in almost 13 mn" is cool for that.
understand the flow types, interface objects avaible and their possibilities, as well as often used math and eventflow items, cause this later help a lot on making things faster, easier, and in an optimized way. once you manage to translate what you want in a simple logic sentence (cf gurulogic quote "'The Most Logical Approach is the One That Works' sooo true), and that you know how to translate in wiring, everything is easy in usine.

you can start as guru suggest to have a look at the midi interface objects in midi, ie midiCC swich, try to understand how it works, you can clic in midlle of wires and see what's happening in.
try to setup correctly your midi in live and usine and start a simple grid, that you can easy make same colors and full screen mode using interface builder. one thing you will later want is that only a swich can be enabled at time, so instead of swich you could use listboxes, or
use the new group fonction on swichs that senso just implemented, allowing to make groups of swich (ie per track), and forcing easy to have one only activated at time... but first things first,
just experiment and have fun, when headaches comes, feel free to ask, somebody can surely help you here..

ps: who is cedric? you must speak about senso, his name is olivier

VjRobotX · Unread post by **VjRobotX** » 22 Feb 2010, 22:59

heuuu oui ... bennn hihi donc...

cuckoo at Senso by VjRobotX aka Cedric, man medals best goal ever appeared on the program plant ^ _ ^ Best one bug

He needed to have a .......

ben oui quoi !!!

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 23 Feb 2010, 00:17

ah ok lol cedric
ben wé hehe

ErotiCore SteNch · Unread post by **ErotiCore SteNch** » 13 Aug 2011, 14:39

VjRobotX wrote:Hi I have a question

For me, a video that my desire to get into the live
(touch) is the video if you can find below.

do you think it is easy to develop the same interface (version
Ableton)

Semple assign a carrer, assign effects, volume, filter.

I would love to start creating a wordspace in this sense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ais9x25 ... re=related

i have been messing around with something like that,i have with the help of this fine forum,been able to make a grid-like setup and im able to choose and play entirelines(just like you can in ableton)choose next/prev line choose next/prev track

now i just need to find a way to make a decent interface for it all

the feedback i have now(default) that lets me see what line/track i am on,disappears when i mess around in the interface builder
but so far it is working right now its really simpel.i got alot of stuff i want to check out amongst that the tempobased samplers i will mess around alot more
and it wont need to use ableton:)

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