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BCR 2000

Unread post by gwennaelle » 24 Feb 2020, 19:28

Hello
there is problem of recognition of BCR2000 in Usine HH4. I have also a BCF and connected it first and now I use only the BCR. Until now BCR was indicated as a BCF in HH3 then HH4, but no problem, I was using only BCR and not BCF, it was working. But today, what is indicated in inputs is BCR2000 Port 1 and BCR2000 Port 2 and in outputs BCR2000 Port 1, BCR2000 Port 2 and BCR2000 Port 3. So I have to redo the midi assignation. I'd just like to be sure to have a stable set. So if you have a council to make it more sure...
New problem, when I call a preset, there is no information return on BCR even if I selected motorized and insert the BCR in output of track.
If someone understand, thank you!

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Unread post by nay-seven » 24 Feb 2020, 22:35

Strange, i use a BCR too and had always the same names:
port 1 as input and port 1 and 2 as outputs, ( never see port 3) ( which version of Mac OS do you use ?)

About motorized, you don't need to add your devices in the rack output, but must be active in the midi setup/out and the motorized function must be active for the knob and for the device out in your device panel.

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Unread post by gwennaelle » 24 Feb 2020, 22:47

I use Mac OS X Version 10.9.5; (Yes, it's old... I'm afraid to loose any connection if I change version).
What do you mean by the motorized function must be active for the knob?

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Unread post by nay-seven » 25 Feb 2020, 00:11

in the settings panel/midi tab of the knob, motorized is ON ?

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Unread post by gwennaelle » 04 Mar 2020, 22:37

Excuse me, which knob do you speak about?
In the settings panel/midi tab of the workspace, the devices are selected.
In the settings panel of the device BCR2000, the knob motorized is on.
Is it that?

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Unread post by nay-seven » 04 Mar 2020, 22:50

test this simple example:
create a patch with only a knob
set it midi tab to motorized
open the device panel, set the midi out device for the bcr to motorized too
create presets with different values for this knob,

do the bcr react when changing presets ?

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Unread post by Djordjo » 13 May 2020, 10:40

Hi,

I have a simular problem. It used to work but now it doesn't.
I created a patch with a knob,
midi learned the knob,
enabled "motorized" for the knob in it's midi settings,
eneblad "motorized" in the the device settings for the hole divece

The knob receives the data but it does't send it back if changed in the rack GUI.
If I enable "Midi feedback to all devices" the knob sends the data and everything works.

What is the problem?
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Unread post by nay-seven » 13 May 2020, 11:04

Hello,
which version of Usine and OS do you use ?
works here with BCR and Xtouch mini
BCR MIDI in and output are active in the setup/MIDI tab ?

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Unread post by Djordjo » 13 May 2020, 14:14

OS X Mojave and I dowloaded the latest version of Usine right now.
I couldn't test it yet, cause all my settings and plugin scans are with the old version 4.1.200428.

Do I seriously have to set up everything and scan all plugins again or is there a way to import the old settings?
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Unread post by nay-seven » 13 May 2020, 14:36

yes, in the setup/global you can use the "import old settings" button and point to the old version

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Unread post by Djordjo » 13 May 2020, 18:45

Ok, thanks, imported the settings.

Opened Usine, cleared the workspace, patched and midi learnd a knob.
the BCR2000 still doesn't receive midi data from the knob.

Midi Settings Knob


Settings Midi Device

I remember testing it previously and it worked.
Now only when I enable "Midi feedback to all divices". But then it sends to all devices.
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Unread post by nay-seven » 13 May 2020, 19:37

i see you have a specific name for the MIDI device, is it a hub or something ? maybe the reason

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Unread post by Djordjo » 13 May 2020, 20:45

It's a Midi Interface from iConnectivity called iConnectMIDI4+

You connect your Midi Devices to it's ports and it sends and receives midi.
I don't know, but i doesn't seem to be the problem.

Actually I use the BCR2000 in this case only for a test, cause it matches the topic titel,
originally I tried it first with a Lemur Template wich sends and receives midi over the Lemur Deamon ports, not over the iConnectMIDI4+ Midi interface, and there I have the same problems.

After connecting the BCR2000 directly to the Mac everything works fine like it should.
I'm gonna delete all Midi Devices in Usine and set them all up "fresh". I'm gonna report if it helped.
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Unread post by nay-seven » 13 May 2020, 21:08

ok, cool !

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Unread post by SylvainT » 13 May 2020, 21:15

Same problem with Lemur, the remonte is OK only with "MIDI feedback to all deveces".

Concerning the BCR, if you plug it directly with USB, it will work, but I think not if you pass thru another MIDI device, cause Usine can't recognize the BCR as a device input.

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Unread post by Djordjo » 15 May 2020, 01:11

Ok, patching friends,

I tested it. After deleting all Midi Devices in Usine and recreating them, the "motorized" feature
worked with the BCR over the iConnectMIDI4+ Midi interface.

The interface provides basically in & out ports, that are recognized by OS X like every other midi device.
This should not be the problem. I remeber testing it before and it worked. So why did it stop working?

First I renamed the ports in the Usine midi device settings cause I couldn't read them properly.
Take a look: IN ICONNECTMIDI4+ HST 2 BCR KNOBS
The import information for me is at the end "BCR KNOBS". The full name is only fully displayed and readable in the header of the settings.

So I renamed the device again into "IN/OUT ICM4+ HST 2 BCR KNOBS" to test if this is the problem.
No, it's not, everything works after renaming the device. Even after I quitted and reopened Usine.

I did some patching for the devices, routed them to usine midi busses to make them avaible in every patch, "coming from the side"
And that's it. I can't tell why it stopped working with the BCR2000 over the iConnectMIDI4+ Midi interface.

The Lemur Deamon ports don't work with the "motorized" feature, like Sylvain confirmed.
But if I choose a virtual midi port as In & Output in Lemur on my iPad like an IAC BUS (comes with OS X) it works.
Over the Wifi Network i can access all virtual midi ports on my Mac from Lemur on the iPad.

BTW:

If you have a more complicated midi setup the handling of midi devices in usine feels like a pain in the ass.
You have to take care in which order you enable them in the midi settings cause you can't change the order in the devices window.
When you want to delete devices cause they appeared in the wrong order you have to click every single device to delete it.
Can't they just appear and dissapear in the devices window by dis- or enabeling them in the midi settings? Maybe as an option?
Would be cool too, if the devices window could be resizable, just for the overview.

Greetings
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Unread post by Djordjo » 15 May 2020, 16:31

Ok, it stopped working again.

And now I know for sure that it's caused by renaming the midi device cause after deleting it in Usines midi
device window und restarting Usine, Usine added the device auromatically to the Usines midi device window with it's full name and it worked again.

But it doesn't stop working immideatly after renaming,
it must be somehow when the computer gets restarted.
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