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Posted: 17 Sep 2019, 10:16
by Gilsornette
Hello,
I'm using several midi controllers and not always the same regarding of my setup. Sometimes my BCF mixer has got the index 2, sometimes the index 3, therefore I must remap all my racks, patches remotes. Is there a way to avoid that?
Thank you
Posted: 17 Sep 2019, 16:16
by sm_jamieson
Does the number relate to which USB port it is plugged into ?
Posted: 17 Sep 2019, 16:35
by 23fx23
iirc there its a windows problem that makes id inconsistent if they are plugged/unpluged to system
Posted: 17 Sep 2019, 18:09
by Gilsornette
Yes the index relates to the USB port.But, as said 23fx23, windows (7 in my case) does not always assign the same Id, while plugging, replugging (on the same USB Hub port i.e.) .
Maybe it'salso inherent to the BCF because the other controllers do not have id.
So there is no solution inside Usine? Any way to get rid of this index?
Posted: 17 Sep 2019, 19:17
by oli_lab
this is why I love OSC and start building my own controlers.
anyway, one way around this would be to use different channels for each USB controller (ie ch1 for BCF1, ch2 for BCF2 etc...)
then to intercept all midi messages in one patch, and make it available via a midi bus
channel midi filter will do the parsing
my two cents
Posted: 17 Sep 2019, 19:35
by Gilsornette
Thank you for the advice. But in this configuration could I still use Midi learn?
Posted: 18 Sep 2019, 09:41
by grego mondo
Hello, I have sometimes the same problem (on win 7)
I believe you just need to rename the device and not to re-learn everything. not perfect but it works quite quickly.
Posted: 18 Sep 2019, 10:03
by Gilsornette
I correct what I wrote above: other controllers have also ID... So it's not inherent to BCF
@grego mondo > how do you do to rename the device in the setup menu?
Posted: 18 Sep 2019, 13:00
by rlgsbt
Hi Gilles,
in HH3 and HH4, I guess you could rename and edit your devices with a texte editor. Here is the path folder : Usine Hollyhock Win64 3.0.188ConfigDefault Devices
May be have a try with a copy of your folder

good luck
Posted: 18 Sep 2019, 15:06
by Gilsornette
Thank you rlgsbt! I've tried to change the name in the folder but it does not work. Maybe there are other parameters to modify, that I don't know
Posted: 18 Sep 2019, 15:38
by oli_lab
Gilsornette wrote:Thank you for the advice. But in this configuration could I still use Midi learn?
You're right, midilearn won't work this way. you'll have to hardwire everything
one way to do it is to make data busses for every control in the aforementioned patch
Posted: 18 Sep 2019, 18:27
by Gilsornette
OK I'll think about this. Thank you
Posted: 19 Sep 2019, 16:33
by grego mondo
I used to rename the midi device by :
selecting it in devices
click rename inthe option (on the left in the screen capture)
asI remember it worked.
I deleted let's says "in bcf2000 2"
and renamed the "in bcf2000 3" as "in bcf2000 2"
hope it will work for u
Posted: 19 Sep 2019, 17:55
by Gilsornette
@Grego mondo: thank you for the help. But it doesn't work: you can rename your devices in the device menu but when you use midi learn the "incoming flow midi data" always keeps the former name and ID...
Posted: 20 Sep 2019, 11:59
by grego mondo
I'll check again what was the way I did it because I'mpretty sure I found a way when I occured me
Posted: 24 Sep 2019, 09:05
by Gilsornette
I hope you'll find because I'm fed up with unplugging replugging;-)
Posted: 24 Sep 2019, 14:53
by grego mondo
Can't just reproduce the behaviour but looking to the workspace where I had these problem I found back the solution I had :
if you just erease the device name in the midi learn (and don't have 2 controllers using the same channel) then you don't have to worry about the name of the device ...
Posted: 24 Sep 2019, 16:06
by Gilsornette
It's a bit unorthodox, but...it works:-) . Thank you, I'll do so until I fnd another solution.