forget if too complex,
but just i remember using "glove pie", a nice tool to control any in to any out, ie a joystick controls the mouse, a midi key trig a key ect,
but boring (for me) it was script only. It would be so friendly and powerfull with a patch approach like usine.
I imagine it can create lot's of problems, but controlling the mouse or windows keyboard might have interesting applications..
and what i m especially more after is accessing the multitouch data to drive wiimote ir leds to multitouch W7 data, or maybe in other way make usine be able to "cach those infos" as if was mouse input.
just a though, if possible in some 'not too hard' way...
maybe you already saw it, but i would so enjoy controlling usine with 4 ir leds and experiment multitouch for quasi free"..
usine with wiimote as touchscreen, single touch test:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPWKYfTAM7s
control windows items?
In the V5 I've started to implement windows messages management.
Like in the following module:
http://www.sensomusic.com/wiki/doku.php ... _mouse_msg
But it's a long way... especially for multi-touch messages which require memory allocation.
They are so many possibilities!
The easiest solution should be to create a SendMessage procedure in scripts, but you don't like scripts.
Like in the following module:
http://www.sensomusic.com/wiki/doku.php ... _mouse_msg
But it's a long way... especially for multi-touch messages which require memory allocation.
They are so many possibilities!
The easiest solution should be to create a SendMessage procedure in scripts, but you don't like scripts.
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If it will be doable any sort in future with script, i'll for sure will love scripts!, cool.
in fact i like scripts, i would just like ideally to avoid to use sereveral apps/conversion layerz, but for sure script is a handy way for that..
woa very cool that mouse_msg!, it's a very appreciated good news for me!!
windows messages management is a very cool idea, not only for that, great!
relating multitouch,
by waiting i should have find tools therorically allowing this,
a wiimote to tuio tool (from jonny lee), tuio to W7 with an hybrid driver.
http://multitouchvista.codeplex.com/
I ll test and report. anyway Im on xp actually, need to go to W7 or buy a new laptop...
what i find wrong with any wii related tool, is that it's clicking then ir is on, make we cannot move, check the cursor /clic separately, cause as long ir is on, mousedown is on.
if we ave such indedendant control of XY and mousedown via usine script, we could track continuously, and be able to free move, then clic with a second input . it already brings me tons of ideas.. I wonder if W7 is able to receive dots xy infos sepatate from Z (mouse down)info, seems yes for a single mouse, but for multipoints, do you know?
..so +1 for script implementation!!! but take your time ! very excited by those news
in fact i like scripts, i would just like ideally to avoid to use sereveral apps/conversion layerz, but for sure script is a handy way for that..
woa very cool that mouse_msg!, it's a very appreciated good news for me!!
windows messages management is a very cool idea, not only for that, great!
relating multitouch,
by waiting i should have find tools therorically allowing this,
a wiimote to tuio tool (from jonny lee), tuio to W7 with an hybrid driver.
http://multitouchvista.codeplex.com/
I ll test and report. anyway Im on xp actually, need to go to W7 or buy a new laptop...
what i find wrong with any wii related tool, is that it's clicking then ir is on, make we cannot move, check the cursor /clic separately, cause as long ir is on, mousedown is on.
if we ave such indedendant control of XY and mousedown via usine script, we could track continuously, and be able to free move, then clic with a second input . it already brings me tons of ideas.. I wonder if W7 is able to receive dots xy infos sepatate from Z (mouse down)info, seems yes for a single mouse, but for multipoints, do you know?
..so +1 for script implementation!!! but take your time ! very excited by those news
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Hi guys !
About using wiimote and multitouch windows 7, there is an amazing app to get TUIO and native windows 7 multi :
WiiTUIO
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As you can see, i already made some advertisement for Usine
About using wiimote and multitouch windows 7, there is an amazing app to get TUIO and native windows 7 multi :
WiiTUIO
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As you can see, i already made some advertisement for Usine
Thanks for advertisement pipotron3000 and welcome !
what about hardware used..?
what about hardware used..?
awesome!!
this is exactly what i was waiting for a while. cool, gonna get back into wiimotes
thanks pipotron
Nay: hardware seems just some custom made IRpens. basically open a pen, put some batteries and a swich powering
the IR led, we can make some for very low cost, but gonna buy same ringz as joffo i think.
also a big advantage of wiimote is it can performs in the air too, not necessary touching the screen.
this is exactly what i was waiting for a while. cool, gonna get back into wiimotes
thanks pipotronNay: hardware seems just some custom made IRpens. basically open a pen, put some batteries and a swich powering
the IR led, we can make some for very low cost, but gonna buy same ringz as joffo i think.
also a big advantage of wiimote is it can performs in the air too, not necessary touching the screen.
yes 23fx23, i was more talking of the video inside the post , projection is on the table so he use a video projector over the table..?and where is the wii...
oh yeah sorry, yup i think it's projected from top, so i guess the wiimote is just above or aside the projector, pointing in same direction, this is what would get the best tracking results.
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I think the same about position
It's time to go back to my mono IR LED glove , with multiple LEDs now
The only trouble i got is to trigger LEDs individually...
I'm thinking about an individual micro switch on each finger, covered with soft pad, so i can press and move my finger on my laptop screen.
The LEDs will be near my nails, so they don't touch the screen but only reflect on it.
May be i will move them on a side.
And battery holder is on my wrist
I will try this soon, once i bought additional LEDs and glove.
I'm already planning to install Windows 7 on my laptop
It's time to go back to my mono IR LED glove , with multiple LEDs now
The only trouble i got is to trigger LEDs individually...
I'm thinking about an individual micro switch on each finger, covered with soft pad, so i can press and move my finger on my laptop screen.
The LEDs will be near my nails, so they don't touch the screen but only reflect on it.
May be i will move them on a side.
And battery holder is on my wrist
I will try this soon, once i bought additional LEDs and glove.
I'm already planning to install Windows 7 on my laptop
cool, let us know your tweaks, im gonna study some system too, but it will be quite similar i think ,
the trigger question is the most important, indeed find something to make it 'soft' would be nice...
,the trigger question is the most important, indeed find something to make it 'soft' would be nice...
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I just thought about something : put the switches INSIDE the glove fingers, so the contact surface would be the glove fabric itself
I will tell you if it work
I use this kind of micro switches :
They are cheap, sensitive and easy to find anywhere (i un soldered mines )
I will tell you if it work
I use this kind of micro switches :
They are cheap, sensitive and easy to find anywhere (i un soldered mines
)Hi all great technicians i've several questions about wiimote IR detection
apparently if i well understand wiituio is kind of driver for the recognition of
multitouch in win 7
23fx says "what i find wrong with any wii related tool, is that it's clicking then ir is on, make we cannot move, check the cursor /clic separately, cause as long ir is on, mousedown is on.
if we ave such indedendant control of XY and mousedown via usine script, we could track continuously, and be able to free move, then clic with a second input . it already brings me tons of ideas.. I wonder if W7 is able to receive dots xy infos sepatate from Z (mouse down)info, seems yes for a single mouse, but for multipoints, do you know? "
So wiituio makes what you were wondering ? tell me if i'm wrong i'd like to understand
another thing i don't know is what is " glove pie " if some one has a link where i could find a description on it
it's welcome after i think i will try make or buy one and modify it as pipotron3000 wants to do
i ain't electronic engineer but i already made some electric assembly it changes of plumbing
if you have time to answer
thanx
apparently if i well understand wiituio is kind of driver for the recognition of
multitouch in win 7
23fx says "what i find wrong with any wii related tool, is that it's clicking then ir is on, make we cannot move, check the cursor /clic separately, cause as long ir is on, mousedown is on.
if we ave such indedendant control of XY and mousedown via usine script, we could track continuously, and be able to free move, then clic with a second input . it already brings me tons of ideas.. I wonder if W7 is able to receive dots xy infos sepatate from Z (mouse down)info, seems yes for a single mouse, but for multipoints, do you know? "
So wiituio makes what you were wondering ? tell me if i'm wrong i'd like to understand
another thing i don't know is what is " glove pie " if some one has a link where i could find a description on it
it's welcome after i think i will try make or buy one and modify it as pipotron3000 wants to do
i ain't electronic engineer but i already made some electric assembly it changes of plumbing
if you have time to answer
thanx
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"Glove pie" is a MIDI software converting diverse inputs (wiimote, joystick...) into MIDI only
We were speaking about an infra red glove that send infra red to the wiimote.
This is not related to Glove Pie, but to WiiTUIO only
This is an example of IR glove:
Infra red glove
And this is a video of our servitor 23fx23 with IR glove and Usine
Usine with IR glove
Some ppl reported using double click as action : when you click once and hold, you just track pointer, and when you double click and hold, you keep mouse down.
Of course, if you just double click and release, you get an action...but with this method, you spend your time double clicking and this is only for mouse, as far as i know. And not very cool with fingers on a laptop screen
As i understand W7, it can use "mouse down" like info, but the wiimote only track points. May be WiiTUIO could track distance (Z value of the point) and assign it to "mouse down", but for now, only XY are tracked.
We were speaking about an infra red glove that send infra red to the wiimote.
This is not related to Glove Pie, but to WiiTUIO only
This is an example of IR glove:
Infra red glove
And this is a video of our servitor 23fx23 with IR glove and Usine
Usine with IR glove
Some ppl reported using double click as action : when you click once and hold, you just track pointer, and when you double click and hold, you keep mouse down.
Of course, if you just double click and release, you get an action...but with this method, you spend your time double clicking
and this is only for mouse, as far as i know. And not very cool with fingers on a laptop screen As i understand W7, it can use "mouse down" like info, but the wiimote only track points. May be WiiTUIO could track distance (Z value of the point) and assign it to "mouse down", but for now, only XY are tracked.
hi mates, pipotron you seem well on the way 
note that glovepie don't only handle midi as output, it can ie convert a wiimote move to windows native mouse move,
wich was my first wiimote tests before i discovered usine.(that's why i originally was suggesting this as an usine possible add, for usine to have a control over mouse or keyboard as outputs too).
In fact every device plugged in glovePie can be used as input, but also as output.
you can convert a keyboard keystroke to a joypad keystroke to be used in a game or vice versa.
convert a press on wiimote to a keystroke shortcut to control a media player like winamp, vlc, or stuff like that
from your bed using a wiimote. the wiimote virtually acting as a universal remote for any soft that accept keyboard shortcuts.
However glovePie is a script only environment, so not very user friendly. I don't advice you to dive into walolelaid,
but if you want to check it (it's free), you can find it overthere:
http://glovepie.org/glovepie.php
cause pipotron is right, you don't need glovepie now, as WiiTuio should directly provide the conversion layer to make
wiimote act as a native W7 mouse, like Wiimote whiteboard, but difference is it is working also with multiple leds.
to make the mouse move, the led has to be on, but the pb is that when you light it on, wiimote whiteboard was considering
that as if you cliqued on the mouse, and keep holding as long as the led is on. So it's still very usable, but you can't see
your mouse move without clicqing. Mind ya in most touch screen cases you don't care, cause you just point your finger
where you wanna click and light on the led. so if you want first to test that in a very simple way, just build a IR led you can swich
on, and install wiimote whiteboard wich is very simple to use and setup if you are on a 32bits Os.
http://johnnylee.net/projects/wii/Wiimo ... ardv03.zip
so another solution to this move pb, as pipotron suggest, is to make a simple hold to move the mouse, and a double click to get a real mouse down and drag. But this was unfortunately impossible to get with wiimote whiteboard. (neither multitouch)
So i first thought that if usine could handle mouse moves, we could easy patch or script such beaviour directly in usine.
@pipotron
Wiimote can get a rough Z estimation, provided by the Led Size variable, but it's not very accurate, going from 1 to 5.
I was thinking of using two wiimotes, one tracking XY pointing at the screen, and one located 90° on the left or right to
track precise Z, so if this one detect the points are getting close to the screen, they woul enable the 'mouse down',
that would avoid the double clic thing, but not sure it will be easy to make the correlations between multiples points...
that would also make a real 3D instrument, but maybe kinnekt will make this easier.. still im convinced IR tracking
returns faster low latency.
edit: mmm maybe we could use 2leds: a smaller led low powered constantly running, and a bigger one that would be feed by
higher voltage when cliquing, so the wiimote could get a noticeable size variation used to trig the mouse down...
so I have not tested wiituio yet, as i fail to connect my bluetooth wiimote now on my setup :/ but maybe it allow such feature, but i think pipotron will be faster to build his glove and report than me
sorry for way to long post
note that glovepie don't only handle midi as output, it can ie convert a wiimote move to windows native mouse move,
wich was my first wiimote tests before i discovered usine.(that's why i originally was suggesting this as an usine possible add, for usine to have a control over mouse or keyboard as outputs too).
In fact every device plugged in glovePie can be used as input, but also as output.
you can convert a keyboard keystroke to a joypad keystroke to be used in a game or vice versa.
convert a press on wiimote to a keystroke shortcut to control a media player like winamp, vlc, or stuff like that
from your bed using a wiimote. the wiimote virtually acting as a universal remote for any soft that accept keyboard shortcuts.
However glovePie is a script only environment, so not very user friendly. I don't advice you to dive into walolelaid,
but if you want to check it (it's free), you can find it overthere:
http://glovepie.org/glovepie.php
cause pipotron is right, you don't need glovepie now, as WiiTuio should directly provide the conversion layer to make
wiimote act as a native W7 mouse, like Wiimote whiteboard, but difference is it is working also with multiple leds.
to make the mouse move, the led has to be on, but the pb is that when you light it on, wiimote whiteboard was considering
that as if you cliqued on the mouse, and keep holding as long as the led is on. So it's still very usable, but you can't see
your mouse move without clicqing. Mind ya in most touch screen cases you don't care, cause you just point your finger
where you wanna click and light on the led. so if you want first to test that in a very simple way, just build a IR led you can swich
on, and install wiimote whiteboard wich is very simple to use and setup if you are on a 32bits Os.
http://johnnylee.net/projects/wii/Wiimo ... ardv03.zip
so another solution to this move pb, as pipotron suggest, is to make a simple hold to move the mouse, and a double click to get a real mouse down and drag. But this was unfortunately impossible to get with wiimote whiteboard. (neither multitouch)
So i first thought that if usine could handle mouse moves, we could easy patch or script such beaviour directly in usine.
@pipotron
Wiimote can get a rough Z estimation, provided by the Led Size variable, but it's not very accurate, going from 1 to 5.
I was thinking of using two wiimotes, one tracking XY pointing at the screen, and one located 90° on the left or right to
track precise Z, so if this one detect the points are getting close to the screen, they woul enable the 'mouse down',
that would avoid the double clic thing, but not sure it will be easy to make the correlations between multiples points...
that would also make a real 3D instrument, but maybe kinnekt will make this easier.. still im convinced IR tracking
returns faster low latency.
edit: mmm maybe we could use 2leds: a smaller led low powered constantly running, and a bigger one that would be feed by
higher voltage when cliquing, so the wiimote could get a noticeable size variation used to trig the mouse down...
so I have not tested wiituio yet, as i fail to connect my bluetooth wiimote now on my setup :/ but maybe it allow such feature, but i think pipotron will be faster to build his glove and report than me
sorry for way to long post
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Thanks about Glove pie description (i missed all possibilities)
About Bluetooth / wiimote, i bought a mini dongle with a Broadcom chip inside.
And it use the internal windows bluetooth software : plugged, installed, working.
No BLue soleil, because it seems to worsen things
Most troubles seems due to non genuine wiimote and bad bluetooth chip on computer.And may be Blue soleil, because when you don't use Broadcom chip, you're obliged to install it
About Bluetooth / wiimote, i bought a mini dongle with a Broadcom chip inside.
And it use the internal windows bluetooth software : plugged, installed, working.
No BLue soleil, because it seems to worsen things
Most troubles seems due to non genuine wiimote and bad bluetooth chip on computer.And may be Blue soleil, because when you don't use Broadcom chip, you're obliged to install it
Hello Usiners thanx to both of you for the explanations
I know now what is glovepie and you're right i don't need it
in fact i'm more interested by the multi IR touch but as you told me
it's better for me to begin with only one IR ( i've bought a wiimote and a bluetooth dongle )
i also have a hold CRT screen to try less fragile and after seeing the video i can build an IRglove
i don't remember what was installed with the blue tooth dongle but it is not "Blue soleil"
and i didn't try the wiimote i bought it yesterday so i'll see that next week
and i let you build the most difficult i've not enought knowledge in computing
wish you a good day for me here's comes the night
thanx once again
I know now what is glovepie and you're right i don't need it
in fact i'm more interested by the multi IR touch but as you told me
it's better for me to begin with only one IR ( i've bought a wiimote and a bluetooth dongle )
i also have a hold CRT screen to try less fragile and after seeing the video i can build an IRglove
i don't remember what was installed with the blue tooth dongle but it is not "Blue soleil"
and i didn't try the wiimote i bought it yesterday so i'll see that next week
and i let you build the most difficult i've not enought knowledge in computing
wish you a good day for me here's comes the night
thanx once again
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pipotron , yup i think im gonna buy a broadcom dongle, i quick tested with a cheap one that came with my phone
i guess pb come from here. thanx for info
cool waolelaid, let'us know.
i guess pb come from here. thanx for info
cool waolelaid, let'us know.
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