Sequencing methods

lejeunerenard · Unread post by **lejeunerenard** » 27 Jul 2009, 03:16

Hi I'm new to Usine and so far loving it. What Im working on is setting up a fairly easy, familiar (as in fruity loops familiar) method of sequencing a song. So far my game plan is to drop patches into the sequencer that contain a piano roll and a SendMidiBus then in the grid i set up the vst pulling the midi from the appropriate bus. This seems to work pretty well besides having to click on the send and recieve for the bus to get it to start. My main problem really is that when i dont have a patch in a track for a particular instrument that has already been "activated", in otherwords i want to have some silence, the vst just holds the last note played...
Any help is appreciated and I would be interested in hearing how other people sequence instruments in Usine.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 27 Jul 2009, 08:41

welcome jeunerenard..

no many time right now to answer , but using a user curve ( set to 1 at the end ) in your patch , linked to a patch " Send All Notes OFF" ( midi / midi tools ) could resolve this...?
not sure to understand about your send/receive midi module problem..?

lejeunerenard · Unread post by **lejeunerenard** » 31 Jul 2009, 05:12

here is an example as long as the workspace retains its funkyness... http://www.lejeunerenard.com/files/music/electric.wkp
Of course you wont hear anything because you dont have the vsts but you should be able to look at least at how im tackling it and whether its working.

its rather chaotic. Whenever I click on the piano roll in the sequencer patches it cuts out... not sure what "disconnects" but i have to go back into the grid and click the midi bus in node to get it working again...

lejeunerenard · Unread post by **lejeunerenard** » 31 Jul 2009, 06:50

so what i figured out was that the piano roll for whatever reason started again but only for a fraction of a second at the very end of the segment... why would this be? the piano roll is 2 bars and the segment in the sequencer is 8 bars using grid snapping to size it? i did use what you suggested and made the user curve turn off the midi once bellow .5

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 31 Jul 2009, 10:47

humm, seems that you found a bug here..i have send an example to senso..

ethnix73 · Unread post by **ethnix73** » 31 Jul 2009, 11:25

Confirmed here...

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 31 Jul 2009, 18:27

ok , so it's not a bug , it's just because we use the 2 first track as audio one ( patch in grid mode with vsti ) and midi patch in sequence mode on same track , so Usine became confused..
second thing about note off problem , you can use the sequencer midi module ( drag and drop a midi file in sequencer mode ) works better for this purpose ( just save your piano roll sequence as a midi file , then drag and drop it )
here an example :
http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/upload ... uencer.wkp

lejeunerenard · Unread post by **lejeunerenard** » 02 Aug 2009, 04:06

Im not sure that the tracks are the problem because i tried putting the midi patches in a new unused track in the sequencer and it still does it on ocassion. Here is an example file: http://www.lejeunerenard.com/files/music/electric still messed up compat.wkp
I think i fixed this with the user curve you suggested but occassionally it will get off time probably because the piano timing is messed up.

So now Ive tried dragging and dropping midi files like you suggested and it works great as far as i can tell for the off note problem and it stays on time.. but ive noticed that for some reason when looping sections, the first note will not be triggered for the first patches in that loop. I noticed it the most when listening to the kick in the this example: http://www.lejeunerenard.com/files/music/electric redo compat.wkp

thanks for the help...

Wiskow · Unread post by **Wiskow** » 01 Jan 2010, 06:31

I think I may know your problem and a solution.
I noticed that making a loop on the sequencer ruler section where the loop starts at measure 1 bar 1 goes to measure 8 bar 4, causes your missing note. For some reason it appears as if the patches are reloaded resulting in missing notes. You may notice in Sequencer Live the patches blink for a second.
If I shorten the loop to four measure it works fine. I can also move my loop over so that it doesn't start at measure 1 bar 1 and it seems to work fine also. I have tried other loop lengths.

Draging a midi file onto the sequencer makes a "Seq Midi" module. It is that module that allows synchronization with the sequencer's time. It is very similar to the "Piano Roll" module. Draging a midi file seems to be the only way to make the "Seq Midi" module appear.

Wiskow · Unread post by **Wiskow** » 01 Jan 2010, 07:22

I found in another post that in the Templates fold is a Pat for inserting a "Seq Midi" module.

After a little more experimenting it seems that a loop of more than 6-1/2 measures any where will cause the glitch.

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