Midi Looper assistance please....

[captain caveman]

Hi

I am having a bit of trouble getting MIDI out of the Midi Looper.

- I have one track with the Midi Looper and then a VSTi in a new row.
- In the Midi Looper patch it has a MIDI output to a SendMidiBus, set to global.
- In the VSTi patch, it has a GetMidiBus from the same existing (only) bus.

I have drawn notes in the piano roll, but when playing there is no sound - although the patch shows that the SendMidiBus isat least monitoring the MIDI.

One thing I have noticed is that when the piano roll is open and the Midi Looper is playing, the cursor stops when I select the VSTi patch in the GUI of the IB. I can play the VSTi fine with a MIDI keyboard and record into the MIDI looper too - it's just the playback./monitoring through the Looper.

Any ideas where I am going wrong?

[nay-seven]

here a simple workspace with the midi loper, when you use the > and < you must have 3 different melodies for the first 3 ones
tell me if it's ok for you
download

[captain caveman]

Thanks very much. Unfortunately I am getting....

"Info

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... when I click that link. It must be set for Gold Member permissions.

[nay-seven]

ok, sorry for this inconvenience
gone to check, waiting for a fix, here the workspace:
download

[captain caveman]

Thanks, I've saved that. I need to get the wee man to bed and so I'll get back to you later.

[nay-seven]

no problem, do your job dad !

[captain caveman]

That's Winnie the Pooh out of my head now and I've got my super-cool (but a little confused) musician hat back on!

I see that you put the VSTi on another track. I have had a play around and it looks like only one patch is "live" at a time per track - is that right? Je suis aller RTFM maintenant.

[nay-seven]

yes, when you are in grid mode, but there's also the rack and all mode, maybe you can check some tutorials first like the Learn Usine

[captain caveman]

Thanks. I have read all of that and everything is a lot clearer now. I am going to set everything up in patches, which leads me to....

I have set up Midi Looper as a sub patch in a patch with Battery 3 to start playing around and everything is mostly good. My problem is that Midi Looper resets to playing "1" whenever I press start/play. I can select any number of Midi Looper sequences on the GUI but pressing play reverts back to number 1.

I have MIDI Learned the 1,2,3,4 etc but even pressing them when playing flashes (sometimes) the control, but still only number 1 plays.

Don't worry, once I have my Eureka moment with Usine it will only be a week or two before I start annoying you guys with questions about the SDK.

[nay-seven]

yes, cause in this patch , the 1,2,3 ...switches are only for visual feedback, the change is made with the > & < buttons.
i suppose I've to update this

[captain caveman]

Aahhh, d'accord. Sorry, I see what is happening in the patch. It would be possible to do what I want to do with 16 piano rolls. I'll get working on it....

[nay-seven]

Here one where it works in the 2 ways, you can use the > & < buttons but also the switches , and key or midi learn will work too
Download

[captain caveman]

Wow, thanks very much for the assistance!

Unfortunately it is still switching instantly back to the first sequence when pressing a sequence number or even the > & < buttons now. I've had a look at your cleverly constructed patch but I can't see where the issue is. I can see it trying to switch to another number but then changing back immediately.

[captain caveman]

It turns out that MIDI learning while the looper was playing was causing the problem. It must have been learning one of the notes in the sequence after the one I pressed, this is why it kept resetting (I think anyway). It works with key learn and MIDI learn when stopped.

Thanks for all the help.

[nay-seven]

ho, ok
maybe better to use a different midi canal for the midi learn if you can ..?
and if you use a midi keyboard, it's not always easy to be sure if you learn midi on or off, so use the right click/open the remote panel and this way, you can check and assign manually if needed

[captain caveman]

Cool, that sounds like good advice - that would have saved me a lot of confusion.

[captain caveman]

Can I just ask for confirmation that all connected MIDI devices are treated as one by Usine for MIDI Learn purposes?

I am thinking that since Usine is such a flexible environment that learning per device and an option to automatically filter messages assigned to control something would make it a more right brained experience.

Also, what is the logic with MIDI output of patches... is that all passed to the MIDI Learn system too?

[nay-seven]

About midi learn, all can be used , but you have several way to filter,
in the global setup/midi in tab, you can choose track= midi canal, and all patchs in rack mode .
and there's also an option by track ( blue buttons in top of each track) active or not the virtual midi in you've activated in your global settings.

if you want assign the midi out of a patch to Usine midi learn, use the module modules/inputs/outputs /send midi to usine in place of the usual midi out

[captain caveman]

Thanks for the reply, I am really enjoying Usine, the conductor is an amazing live tool.

I am going to post in the feature request section since the current model (as used by Reaper and FL Studio too) isn't optimum for using multiple MIDI controllers (I have 4).

[captain caveman]

Sorry to bug you, but until now I have been drawing in notes in the MIDI Looper.

Now, when I record with a midi keyboard, there are double/split notes being recorded (looping, in Overdub mode). There is also strange behaviour in the Piano Roll when moving the double notes - both are sometimes selected and click dragging down selects other notes that the mouse drag goes over.

Can you reproduce any of this?


edit: Also, I cannot download things from the "add-ons" section, it say that I must be registered. The permissions must need updated to silver members.

[nay-seven]

no problem captain
i can't reproduce the same record issue but it seems there 's some problem with the overdub mode , you're right, same for the selected and move note, thanks we will check ( btw try to send bug by mail )

for the addon issue, don't understand cause there's no limitations , even on free version you can access to the addons.
Can you give me the exact message you have or a screenshot ( do you see the addons for example )

[captain caveman]

Thanks again nay-seven. I'll send future reports by mail.

Here is a screen-shot of the pop-up window message I get, you can see that I am logged in......

http://gyazo.com/447edba6295668b63825fdc82d8819e1

(tiny little thing web site thing too, you can see in the screenshot the "> download" link is spelled "> donwnload" in the left column)

Ciao.

[nay-seven]

ok, gone to check