Windows 10 - What are your thoughts everyone

[sephult]

What are your thoughts everyone, who is reserving their free copy?

I am updating 4 computers and going with the gusto as I am all in for DX12, no looking back here.
Any specifics or opinions, thoughts, discussion in regards to Windows 10?

I've been out of the Dx following for quite some time as I do not get into the gaming side since I was younger, but from some of the geekiest gaming freaks I know, DX12 is supposed to bring some of the most amazing and exponential breakthroughs we have seen from a Dx version. Anyone know about this? I'll have to do some more research, and see if I can find some specifics.

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[shawnb]

I always play these conservatively. Some hardware devices I own never published Win8 drivers, so I'm still on Win7 at home & in the studio.

For me, that's the key. When I see Win10 drivers for my gear, I'll likely experiment on one of my machines.

[Clearscreen]

I'm holding off for a while... I only went to Win8.1 six months ago!! What's better in dx12? Will it impact Hollyhock performance?

[sephult]

Yeah that is what I am curious regarding the DX12 and the shift in Hollhock. I am wondering what kind of graphical improvements Senso can make with it compared to Dx11. I know that it was required to do a lot in Hollyhock, I am hoping that it gives a great improvement overall and keeps the graphic engine out of the way of everything else.

What kind of gear do you still not have drivers for shawnb? I was using the Win8 Preview and had every driver during the preview! Actually a lot of the Win7 drivers during preview worked flawless as well until they updated. I used to be really conservative as well, but oh well, go for the gusto! I feel risky!

At least I can share my experiences, maybe if I run into all the problems I can share them and help others...LMAO

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[Thomas Helzle]

Well, I am still curious what the free update brings us in the area of intrusive behaviour.
In the Windows 10 Beta, Microsoft pretty much assigned itself the right to look into everything that was on the machine - not acceptable to me.

The release version will not have this I'm sure, but still they are pushing some such things quite aggressively even with the 8.1 update, where it looked as if you needed to log in with your microsoft account - something I find so stupid I don't even have words for it. One could work around it but I'm sure a lot of users fell for this.

So my suspicion is, that they will try to finance this whole thing some other way, ads? apps? video/audio subscriptions? certain features of windows you only get as in-OS-purchase? Grabbing user data?

So yeah, while I generally would be quite happy to update right away from what I've heard about W10 as an OS, I'm reluctant where it comes to these kind of things.

I don't use any of the Microsoft services or apps, so maybe it does not apply, but I will keep a close look on what they plan to make money with...
Windows 8.1 works perfectly here, so I see no pressure - you have a year for the free update anyway.

Cheers,

Tom

[sephult]

You know thomas I do agree, with where the whole ad-placement stuff, I am not too fond. I have heard their inline tiles were to have ad-based items...however for those computers without internet connection it really didnt matter regarding being fed adverts. I can see where in the future this could be a test-bed for a online-only version of the OS....where the free "Home" version must be online at all times and fed adverts while being shown location data. Obviously for Microsoft-sake they couldn't make this the only ad-version as most of their customers are business who cannot have the security compromises or must need a tailored policy for the work environment.

I am actually looking quite forward to this one, as the whole model in software, as even you can see in Hollyhock is now going into a Pre-Alpha release stage. Even Cakewalk is going with this same model with their subscription base, picking up more fixes sooner instead of big chunky releases. I think this model is wonderful especially coming from a background in RD that dealt with QA all the time too. Paperwork is the killer and 9 times out of 10 the real bugs aren't even ones found in-house during extensive testing, but more so by the users.

I agree I love Win 8.1 and it works perfectly, so I am jumping the gun. I have nothing else better to do during the daytime than jump off the cliff so I thought I'd do it and report it.....hahahaha



The real curiosity I have is in how HH is going to incorporate or evolve with the technology, I am interested to see what kind of things can be done



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[loneboat]

... they are pushing some such things quite aggressively even with the 8.1 update, where it looked as if you needed to log in with your microsoft account - something I find so stupid I don't even have words for it.

I used to feel the same way, and I HATED the idea of my OS login being tied to an online MS account. I got a MS Surface Pro for my latest laptop though and for some reason finally caved in (even though I had sworn I never would). I created my Windows Live account and used it for my laptop's login. I was pleasantly surprised to learn that this means my desktop and laptop passwords are now synchronized. It also automatically set up my OneDrive for online file storage. It's not for everybody (and I agree they were really sneaky by making it look like it was REQUIRED), but I'm actually glad I started using it for my Windows login. Just my two cents.

[Thomas Helzle]

... they are pushing some such things quite aggressively even with the 8.1 update, where it looked as if you needed to log in with your microsoft account - something I find so stupid I don't even have words for it.

I used to feel the same way, and I HATED the idea of my OS login being tied to an online MS account. I got a MS Surface Pro for my latest laptop though and for some reason finally caved in (even though I had sworn I never would). I created my Windows Live account and used it for my laptop's login. I was pleasantly surprised to learn that this means my desktop and laptop passwords are now synchronized. It also automatically set up my OneDrive for online file storage. It's not for everybody (and I agree they were really sneaky by making it look like it was REQUIRED), but I'm actually glad I started using it for my Windows login. Just my two cents.

Yep, that is what is happening for everybody at the moment, be it with tech from apple, windows, android or whatever.
Convenience is breaking down the barriers of common sense like an ocean nibbling away slowly at the coast of reason. Even for the most avid people in the area, like the creator of PGP, the blackphone etc. - he recently said in an interview that he is only using iOS devices himself since it's so convenient... and that he thinks the NSA basically can hack into whatever they want if they really lean into it anyway....

All this makes the so called first world even more brutally vulnerable to technical failure or cyber-attacks.
We all read ten times a day about another service, company or government that got hacked, sensitive data that got stolen, apple servers that were unavailable for hours or days etc. but convenience is much stronger.
Even Edward Snowden wasn't able to convince people of handling their stuff differently, but at least they no longer trust anybody (if they ever did) - for all the good that may do...

And like it always is with humanity, something really bad will happen sooner or later that may or may not convince at least some to change their ways and think some more about the inconvenient stuff. That seems to be the way of nature - as long as it works, it works
And even Fukushima didn't convince Japan to get out of nuclear power...

Right now we are sliding into a kind of post-orwellian culture that works much more subtle and takes away freedom not with force (mostly) but by consent, convenience and a free 10 GB upload allowance...
I guess later generations will have to find out how to get rid of all the crap again.

Interesting times...

Cheers,

Tom