Multtiple Outs in the Usine Pro-VST and VSTi version

fisto · Unread post by **fisto** » 17 Dec 2011, 20:01

sorry if it has been requested already, but as there is no search-function in the forum I wanted to post this.

I feel like I miss a lot if the normal Usine Pro VST versions don't have multiple ins & outs. Is this very hard to implement? As Easine has it, but then again Easine has no Grid (which i need too in the VST-version). So like it is now, I have to decide if i want tu use the grid or mulsiple I/Os BUT they are both same important for me.

Can anyone share some thoughts on this? any Workarounds or future planys?
What is the actual reason that Usine Pro VST has only 2 ins & outs? This should be possible no?!

Cheers

2nd little request: a search function for the forum

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 17 Dec 2011, 21:13

hello and welcome fisto
here the search function

fisto · Unread post by **fisto** » 18 Dec 2011, 04:11

oh. thank you! must have been blind temporarily....

fisto · Unread post by **fisto** » 18 Dec 2011, 04:17

do you also know something about my 1st question/suggestion? Or do I miss something here?
Thanks.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 18 Dec 2011, 10:05

the explanation is you can use several instances of the vst version ( but in reality , it's like clones so no really more memory/cpu )

fisto · Unread post by **fisto** » 18 Dec 2011, 14:32

what do you mean by several instances? On one track or on different tracks? When I put more than one instance on different tracks I just get multiple Usine VST windows but I can't link them or have multiple outs. Can you please clarify what you mean by that?

I'd like to set up a session-like workspace where i can trigger lines and grid-cells but route the individual tracks out to reaper for further processing and integration into my linear environment.
If I use multiple Usine-VSTs i can't set up a proper session-workspace and the overview gets lost as I have to juggle between the different windows and midi-mapping is also much more difficult to do.

Can I still request a Multi I/O option for the Usine VST or is this impossible and I am just dreaming and this will never come ?

Thank you!

gurulogic · Unread post by **gurulogic** » 18 Dec 2011, 19:12

nay-seven wrote:the explanation is you can use several instances of the vst version ( but in reality , it's like clones so no really more memory/cpu )

This used to be the behavior of the Usine pro VST but now each inserted Usine Pro VST is a new instance with no linking possible and only one stereo channel. I was wondering why this was changed, I quite liked the old way of cloning the VST to different tracks in the host.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 18 Dec 2011, 21:51

oups, yes you're right
i don't really use the VST version myself that why i forget senso change this feature
sorry

fisto · Unread post by **fisto** » 19 Dec 2011, 00:39

please bring it back or even better. Make the Usine VST multi in/out PLEEEAASSEEE

gurulogic · Unread post by **gurulogic** » 19 Dec 2011, 02:14

I would prefer the old "clone" method back because it allows for more interesting routing options. For example in Ableton Live, with a normal multi i/o vst there is no real way to give complete i/o access of the single VST instance to any combination of normal tracks, return tracks and the master track. The clone version was ideal in this way and could allow for some very interesting routing that was normally impossible within the host. Now I am spending time with Usine again, this ingenious approach to using the VST is definately something I miss!

fisto · Unread post by **fisto** » 19 Dec 2011, 03:05

I think both features would be great to have.

CleverConQueso · Unread post by **CleverConQueso** » 19 Dec 2011, 19:54

On the OP, any chance we can have 'search all' in the forum search options?
Thanks,
- CCQ -

fisto · Unread post by **fisto** » 26 Dec 2011, 19:05

sorry to bump this but i still did not get a real answer on my question: What is the plan of the VST version regarding Multi I/O? As there is no "cloning" of instances when loading a VST-Version of usine onto different tracks (as it used to be and is also mentioned in a tutorial on using Usine as VST).

Somehow the actual reason I bought Usine is gone (although not mentioned anywhere). What is the reason that Easine hast mutli-out in the VST-version and Usine not? Could the dev please share some light on that? Please, as I'm quite disappointed that I can't use it as i intended

and i want to know if i shall wait for it or look for other solutions......but would so love to use Usine (as VST in reaper and make some crazy multi I/O routings and morph them with conductor and stuff like that).

YouTube · Unread post by **senso** » 27 Dec 2011, 16:08

The old "clone" behavior of the vst was interesting but too complex for most users.
We finally choose the simple and "almost normal" way for Usine as VST: each are totally independent. Also, the old version was tricky, and fragile.

In the same way Usine pro VST 5.7 is limited to 2in/2out. For more in/out Easine does a good job.
We wanted to simply as much as possible and we know that they are some drawbacks.
Sorry for that but It gone be hard to go backward.

fisto · Unread post by **fisto** » 27 Dec 2011, 16:54

Thank you for your reply senso. This clears up a lot...

fisto · Unread post by **fisto** » 02 Jan 2012, 19:06

Would it be a big deal to bring the multi I/O back to Usine VST (just the multi I/O like in Easine, no cloning and stuff)? I think a lot of other users would benefit from that? As Easine has it I really don't understand why Usine does no have it

gurulogic · Unread post by **gurulogic** » 02 Jan 2012, 22:17

Perhaps the pro version could even have something like 2,8,16,32 i/o options ?

gurulogic · Unread post by **gurulogic** » 17 Jan 2012, 00:05

yea, the lack of multi i/o in Usine pro VST is a problem for me. I cannot even use a two track, 4x input 2x output workspace made in Usine Pro as a VST unless I load it in Usine Stage standalone and export it a stand alone VST which I can no longer edit!?. Usine Pro VST really needs to get Multi i/o, this workflow is not right.. I hope this can happen?

fisto · Unread post by **fisto** » 17 Jan 2012, 11:22

you name it

!

I just can't understand that the main-version of Usine has not multi I/O. I think it would be a major sale-argument too: extend your existing DAW with endless routing/morphing and racking-capabilities and more

. And it would be a very cool replacement and even much better than NI's Kore2 (which unfortunetely got discontinued).

And it's there in EasineVST so why not in UsineVST too? Plese senso, do something about it.
Especially now as UsineVST reports the latency to the host, it would be ideal to make it multi i/o.

fisto · Unread post by **fisto** » 31 Jan 2012, 14:23

bump

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Why do I feel a bit ignored here?

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 31 Jan 2012, 14:49

You don't have to feel ignored Fisto, but i suppose if senso say : "It gone be hard to go backward.", you can trust him and he has certainly study the possibilities

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