Bouncy ball sequencer

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 21 Jun 2014, 12:53

Is there a way to add a bouncy ball device to act as a generative sequencer, each ball added could add more notes and you could constrain it to certain scales?

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 21 Jun 2014, 12:54

Something like this

http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemuruser_mod ... php?id=103

sephult · Unread post by **sephult** » 24 Jun 2014, 02:52

Arpix II in the addons provides this. I really love using this, and is simpler than Lemur. I love Lemur but it is no where as easy and intuitive as programming with HollyHock

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 25 Jun 2014, 20:27

I tried arpix but it seems quite limited - with arpix the balls just bounce up and down and don't seem to allow me to 'throw' them to make them bounce against walls at different velocities (and collide with each other) to create notes semi randomly. Also it's locked to a rhythm whereas I want something more generative and freely evolving. More like these:

http://www.sounder.com

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bucepha ... 92419?mt=8

esp Sounder - I used to have it on Windows a long time ago - its the best and most intuitive generative app I've come across

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2009/ ... h-sounder/

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 25 Jun 2014, 21:35

you can use shapes and the physics engine to create such a tool

here an example

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 25 Jun 2014, 21:42

Thanks - it looks interesting but I'm not really sure what to do with this as it doesn't seem to have a midi out to connect to anything

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 25 Jun 2014, 21:44

here i use a midi sampler as example, you need to add a midi out (or a midi bus) after the make monophonic module ?

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 25 Jun 2014, 22:01

and the module random must be replaced by a module random Midi note On, works better..

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 25 Jun 2014, 23:33

OK thanks - did as you suggested and tried hooking this up to a synth but it still doesn't make a noise

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5646041/Bouncer.pat

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 25 Jun 2014, 23:49

yes, you need to set the synchro parameters of the 2 random module to button
it's the only way to have the generate inlet working

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 26 Jun 2014, 01:02

Thanks - done that, connected the midi out to my synth midi in - I can see it is sending midi data but still no sound (it does play when I press my keyboard so I know that is set up right) - not sure what else to do

iococoi · Unread post by **iococoi** » 26 Jun 2014, 09:05

aMUSEd wrote:Thanks - done that, connected the midi out to my synth midi in - I can see it is sending midi data but still no sound (it does play when I press my keyboard so I know that is set up right) - not sure what else to do

it works here..only thing, i don't see a container or such..might be intentional though.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 26 Jun 2014, 09:22

Thanks to test iococoi, and yes Amused don't display the container here

here a rack version with your plug Blue2 , i've add a length fader , because if you use sounds like pads maybe notes are too short ?

Download

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 26 Jun 2014, 12:33

and here a different approach, where the position decide the note ( y=note, x = velocity)

download

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 26 Jun 2014, 18:30

nay-seven wrote:Thanks to test iococoi, and yes Amused don't display the container here

here a rack version with your plug Blue2 , i've add a length fader , because if you use sounds like pads maybe notes are too short ?

Download

Fantastic - thankyou that one works! Very nice with more ambient patches like VEC Gold Kihei - how do you add more objects?

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 26 Jun 2014, 18:38

cool !
to add more shapes:
copy paste ( and link) the shape + 0to 1 + random module
change color / form of the shape if you need

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 26 Jun 2014, 22:15

OK I can do that - I was just wondering if there was a way to add a slider or numerical control for number of objects. Also I tried adding more scales but the edit input for that only seems to accept text not tun or scl files, I was hoping to add some more exotic scales like Partch scales etc.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 27 Jun 2014, 12:44

ok, i first think you want to create your own add on , but apparently you don't really want to patch right ..?

About the object number , here a try , replace the patch with this one in your rack.
Download

about tun and scl files, not possible actually, maybe later.
I know that some users are also working on some scales patchs here too

waolelaid · Unread post by **waolelaid** » 27 Jun 2014, 14:07

Hi i'm sorry to enter in your discuss but i don't undertand
some of the things first what are tun and sci files ? and what
is Partch scales i understand "scales" but i don't find Partch in the dictionnary
if you can light my lantern i could understand the end of the discuss
thanx in advance

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 27 Jun 2014, 14:20

here some links for you wao

tun and scl files are use for microtonal music , use by some appz and vsti

https://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/List+of+Microtonal+Software+Plugins

Harry Partch is a composer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Partch

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 27 Jun 2014, 18:50

nay-seven wrote:ok, i first think you want to create your own add on , but apparently you don't really want to patch right ..?

About the object number , here a try , replace the patch with this one in your rack.
Download

about tun and scl files, not possible actually, maybe later.
I know that some users are also working on some scales patchs here too

I'm just new to it and finding it daunting - I would like to be able to use microtonal scales - if you can define major and minor scales what other scales does Usine recognise?

waolelaid · Unread post by **waolelaid** » 27 Jun 2014, 19:36

Hi thank you Nay in fact i used xenharmonics but since my crash with hollyhock
it is no longer recognized even in Usine 5.80b but i didn't notice those files
i had text file and another but didn't remark those files
and i didn't know Harry Partch i knew nick bartch only
i'll discover him later
thanx and good evening

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 27 Jun 2014, 20:22

aMUSEd wrote:
nay-seven wrote:ok, i first think you want to create your own add on , but apparently you don't really want to patch right ..?

About the object number , here a try , replace the patch with this one in your rack.
Download

about tun and scl files, not possible actually, maybe later.
I know that some users are also working on some scales patchs here too
I'm just new to it and finding it daunting - I would like to be able to use microtonal scales - if you can define major and minor scales what other scales does Usine recognise?

What I mean is the names of scales seem to be just text names so I presume Usine is able to recognise these names and change the scale accordingly. So what if I typed say "Iolian' or 'pentatonic' - would it recognise these too - what are the limits to what it can use or not use?

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 28 Jun 2014, 14:26

Nothing on scales in the Wiki unfortunately

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 28 Jun 2014, 15:12

Nothing in the wiki, cause the text input you're talking about is only the name of a preset for the Midi transformer module
the real scale is coded inside the module. ( you can compare this to the name of a preset for VSTI..?)

Actually there's no way to add other scales to this module

but you can try to create your own patch , here the user andrewchi have begin one, names test scaler

btw, have you test the last patch i made ?

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 28 Jun 2014, 17:41

Yes thanks - it works great although only up to 9, anymore and it seems to start freezing but 9 is more than I need anyway

I will try replacing the miid transformer input with this scaler - looks like I can set arbitrary scales with it (but just not microtunings)

I've also added random generators to the length and pitch to create a more organic feel to the sound

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 28 Jun 2014, 18:06

OK I took the test scaler and deleted the sampler and audio out and created a miid out, then connected it to the midi in for the bouncer patch but it just floods it with midi data - not sure why but it is not doing what I wanted it to do

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 28 Jun 2014, 18:36

i have test, works here , there was a problem with note off sending note too but I've solve it
here how i patch it:

Download

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 28 Jun 2014, 20:25

That's cool - I have it working nicely with an instance of Iris playing tubular bells

Only problem is I see you replaced the midi transformer with the scaler - I see why, I tried it myself with both but the scales in the transformer seem to override the scales in the scaler - but the downside is you lose the ability to change length and gain of notes - if there was a way of keeping the transformer but just disabling the scales part that would be ideal - unless there is a module for just note length somewhere?

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 28 Jun 2014, 20:31

if you place it before the scaler patch and set it to chromatic...?

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 28 Jun 2014, 20:51

Yes that works - thanks. I have added a randomiser to length to vary it a bit.

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 28 Jun 2014, 21:13

If anyone wants to play around with this some more I have added some slight randomisation to note length and gain to make it more organic - here is the file:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/564 ... lation.wkp

and here is what it sounds like:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/564 ... lation.mp3

it uses an Iris patch called Bell contemplation which is one of Simon Stockhausen's Iris patches, but many bell/chime sounds would do.

Thanks Nay-Seven for your help - this is the sort of thing I bought Usine for.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 28 Jun 2014, 22:23

glad you appreciate the Usine possibilities
and thanks for the Iris track, relaxing indeed

and if you plan to add scales to the patch, don't hesitate

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 28 Jun 2014, 22:36

Well yes it would be very useful to have some pentatonic scales in the midi transformer - there are a lot that would sound great with this sort of setup - particularly some of the non western ones like slendro and pelog (used in Gamelan) as well as some jazz and blues scales and the major and minor and Egyptian pentatonic scales

waolelaid · Unread post by **waolelaid** » 29 Jun 2014, 15:41

Hi when i click on the first link : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/564 … lation.wkp
i only get text file what's its use ? it has a wkp extension but it's a text file what to do whith
the only way for me to understand HH is to read the questions asked in the forum
otherwise i understand nothing to HH
if somebody can explain me why there is a text file Instead of a workspace
thanx in advance
good evening

aMUSEd · Unread post by **aMUSEd** » 29 Jun 2014, 16:15

Try rightclicking on it and 'download linked file as...' (or whatever the equivalent is in your browser)

waolelaid · Unread post by **waolelaid** » 29 Jun 2014, 19:03

Hi amused and thanx for the tip
good evening and night too

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