control-A is driving me batty!

[woodslanding]

Can we get the standard use of ctl-A back? Maybe as a global option for compatibility.

I'm used to ctl-shift-s for saveAs and ctl-A for select all. All the software I use follows this convention, and especially working on scripts and going back and forth from a text editor, it drives me crazy!

thanks for listening!
-eric

[senso]

It's an historical choise. And I know that the CTRL+A is not standard in usine.
Maybe it's time to start a more global reflexion on all the short-cuts.

[woodslanding]

well, you could also create a table for the user. That's becoming more and more common....

Other small things:
I also am having problems wanting to put tabs in the script window... and I'm used to dragging to select multiple objects. I really like the way usine moves the frame of view, but I would put that under a ctl-key if I had a choice, just for consistency with other programs.

not the #1 issue, but.... I do think these kinds of conventions are important to keep in mind.

cheers!
-eric

[woodslanding]

one other little gui gripe:

the 'timeout' on popup texfields. I realize I shouldn't leave the refrigerator door open while I'm deciding what to eat.... but--I do!

the need to double-click on list boxes to select an item. this one I got used to pretty quickly, but it confused me a LOT when I was first starting out.

-e

[Vincent]

Hi,

You're right, Wodslanding, shortcuts are somewhat confusing (and keystroke+clicks too).
When you patch modular stuffs in Usine, then in Reaktor, then back in Usine, then... you just turn crazy!
I would also add the very popular ctrl+C, ctrl+X and Ctrl+V (copy, cut, paste) that don't work the same way in parameters textfiels, in patches textfields (typically the patch name), in the patching window (or sequencer) and so on.
I've already seen ctrl+L for Select All, in some cheap softs, but Usine is NOT a cheap soft!!!!
I think that Olivier is right: it's great time now to nomalize that according to the softs-world usage.
Maybe a customizable table, why not, but what is really important for ergonomy is to have first the right usual shortcut keys (ctrl-F9 for compilation is the right one, for example).
That's an old question now.
Certainly not so easy to perfectly implement everywhere in the gui...

[senso]

the actual logic for short cuts is:

ctrl for wkp
ctrl+alt for patches

I think it's quite comfortable like that. the only big conflict is with the ctrl+A (save as). but I can't find a better candidate...

[bsork]

I don't really remember the most used save-as ctrl key combination is among all the various programs I use, but Ctrl-Shift-S is fairly common I think.

[La Tenaille]

Hi,
Ctrl-Shift-S is a convention used in almost all the open source softs. Of course, let's forget window$

[senso]

the [Ctrl-Shift-S] is not standard at all.

And if we want to respect the [ctrl] for wkp and [ctrl-alt] for patches it means that 'save as' will be:
[ctrl+shift+s] for wkp and [ctrl+shift+alt+s] for patches...tricky because we need 2 hands...
The ideal solution doesn't exist?

[woodslanding]

well then, maybe best to let the user choose via table. Although I can get ctl-alt-shift-s with one hand on my laptop.

I almost always 'saveAs' from the menu anyway--since I have to type in a new name, it's never just a quick keycommand like saving is....

[La Tenaille]

ctrl+shift+s and ctrl+shift+alt+s are used in Photoshop for example (save as and save for the web).
One hand also ok for me
not against personal keymaping

[senso]

ok, if you prefer;
let's try your suggestions.