I have one more time restricted the add-ons access to Gold-Member.
In fact I cant take a real decision by myself : free or not?.
I need your opinion!
I need your opinion: add-ons free or not?
Olivier Sens
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in my opinion, for gold member. If i can access to all addons, and all the usine features for free, I will not need to buy the full license ( i don't edit scripts yet ). that's a good reason to pay the software for me. actually it's like having usine free for 90% of users.
We actually need generosity in this world if we want to change it. And you are generous. But you're not a multinationale...I easily give money for usine cause it's aim it's creativity. I think usiners have to be also generous for your great work if they used usine a lot. If Usiner's free don't want to pay for Usine and if they need a particular patch, they just have to ask questions on the forum,and they will find the good answer.
I use usine as a leisure and as a professionnal. so , sometimes I use Usine to win money. That's why there is a Usine Pro ? Isn't it? I use Usine as other use pro tools. But Pro Tools is expansive, and degidesign is a big company. In my case, I prefer to give money to people likes you who shares their knowledge.
Usine free is a gift. Usine pro is the fruit of your work and I think it's normal that I have to pay for it . Add Ons have helps me a lot to deeply understand usine.
When I discovered usine, I said " wow ! This is the soft I've dream for years !" I've waiting to have the money, and I've buy it. If you feel "guilty" because some people haven't the money, why not give a special offer for those who are "chomeurs " or "rmiste" or "students" like you do for inhabitants of dvt countries? They could pay 35 euros in state of 70 euros for example. Just ask them for a document that prove their situation. Or another suggestion, the possibility to pay in several times 2 x35euros per month for example? some have money, some have not. The future depends on how we share .
That's my two cents.
I use usine as a leisure and as a professionnal. so , sometimes I use Usine to win money. That's why there is a Usine Pro ? Isn't it? I use Usine as other use pro tools. But Pro Tools is expansive, and degidesign is a big company. In my case, I prefer to give money to people likes you who shares their knowledge.
Usine free is a gift. Usine pro is the fruit of your work and I think it's normal that I have to pay for it . Add Ons have helps me a lot to deeply understand usine.
When I discovered usine, I said " wow ! This is the soft I've dream for years !" I've waiting to have the money, and I've buy it. If you feel "guilty" because some people haven't the money, why not give a special offer for those who are "chomeurs " or "rmiste" or "students" like you do for inhabitants of dvt countries? They could pay 35 euros in state of 70 euros for example. Just ask them for a document that prove their situation. Or another suggestion, the possibility to pay in several times 2 x35euros per month for example? some have money, some have not. The future depends on how we share .
That's my two cents.
totally agree...but it 's your business...even if you're not a bizness man...no?
free.
also coz of generosity of course.
but mainly due to the fact most user patches do not meet pro quality (at least my scripts do not) - they more likely are experiments and proofs of what can be done.
what could be tied to gold members:
3th party modules or other stuff (C++ modules, eventually pascal scripts) that pass the quality control of sensomusic (code inspection, debugging, improvement,..).
-> its not about our work that stays in question to be paid or not: its senso's work, IMHO.
also coz of generosity of course.
but mainly due to the fact most user patches do not meet pro quality (at least my scripts do not) - they more likely are experiments and proofs of what can be done.
what could be tied to gold members:
3th party modules or other stuff (C++ modules, eventually pascal scripts) that pass the quality control of sensomusic (code inspection, debugging, improvement,..).
-> its not about our work that stays in question to be paid or not: its senso's work, IMHO.
+1 for amiga909. He is absolutely right and watch to things just as they are.
The question is not: "free or restricted add-ons" but perhaps: "professional (and maybe restricted?) stuffs".
"generosity" is maybe the right way for tomorrow, OK. But a professional tool is supposed to be nothing else than a professional tool - even if it's a gift.
I think that we usiners would not like to learn that Oliver is in need of some money. And even if Add-ons become restricted, we would understand.
That's your choice, Olivier!
So, maybe, you'll feel that some add-ons could be free, and other ("that pass the quality control of sensomusic ") restricted.
Not a simple world!
Cheers
The question is not: "free or restricted add-ons" but perhaps: "professional (and maybe restricted?) stuffs".
"generosity" is maybe the right way for tomorrow, OK. But a professional tool is supposed to be nothing else than a professional tool - even if it's a gift.
I think that we usiners would not like to learn that Oliver is in need of some money. And even if Add-ons become restricted, we would understand.
That's your choice, Olivier!
So, maybe, you'll feel that some add-ons could be free, and other ("that pass the quality control of sensomusic ") restricted.
Not a simple world!
Cheers
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hello,
For my part i bought the full license because i was really interested in the add ons. I'm not a programmer but i really love the option of re arranging existing patches. If u take yr time spent on working on Usine and his price, i'm really thinking Usine has a very cheap price! I don't think the add ons should be free. The amount of money involved is not huge. So like everything in life if u want something, work for it !
For my part i bought the full license because i was really interested in the add ons. I'm not a programmer but i really love the option of re arranging existing patches. If u take yr time spent on working on Usine and his price, i'm really thinking Usine has a very cheap price! I don't think the add ons should be free. The amount of money involved is not huge. So like everything in life if u want something, work for it !
From my point of view, the main goal of the add-on section is to improve the soft.
But it has to be without add any working time for me, I'm "already full of charges"...
It's a real pleasure to discover new add-ons and I'm proud of the community.
So I repeat: I'll never judge any add-ons or contribution. Of course I have my favorites add-ons, like you, but I'm not god! I can't decide which one is good and which one is not!
But it has to be without add any working time for me, I'm "already full of charges"...
It's a real pleasure to discover new add-ons and I'm proud of the community.
We have discussed about this concept before.that pass the quality control of sensomusic
So I repeat: I'll never judge any add-ons or contribution. Of course I have my favorites add-ons, like you, but I'm not god! I can't decide which one is good and which one is not!
Olivier Sens
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Addons section is growing: why not divide into two sections for addons? One for "experimental" and "original" patches. And one another for classic dsp patches and classic midi tools ( reverb, filters, chorus...)? And why not create an addon section for "work in progress" or collaboratives patches?
+1 for moody33.
problem: it already leads to the quality control thing. more structure in the addons section also means more space for a lack of quality...
for now: consider a few improvements for the addons section. but: accept its gonna be kind of a mess anyway in future. mess in terms of where-to-find-what and does-an-addon-do-what-it-should. of course it would be still a nice learning pool.
-> rename the addon-section to something like 'user-patch-archive'
long-term: non-free addons + no quality control:
- a surplus for the dev, who does not need to invest time into the addon thing.
- a superficial surplus for the passive buyer, who wants to use but not program usine. reason: many add-ons do not meet usine's core quality (c'mon this is a fact).
- a superficial surplus for the active buyer, who wants to use and program usine. reason: there is no long term motivation (see below).
@senso: I deeply appreciate your humility and your sense for a community spirit. but: ideals tend to become the opposite in reality... means: rather come up with hierachical ideals and it will be democratic, not the other way around
my suggestion: just say: I am god, only what is worth my godly quality measurement will be incorporated into the standard usine distribution (with clear reference; for example the new skins would be clearly worth it imho), the other addon-shit I dont care a fuck about
(I know this just sounded really far out, dont take it too serious).
-> further u'd grant free licences to people who can add something to usine's main distribution. this would mean a small money motivation (save a few bucks a year) and a small fame motivation (ur name is mentioned somewhere cool).
problem: it already leads to the quality control thing. more structure in the addons section also means more space for a lack of quality...
for now: consider a few improvements for the addons section. but: accept its gonna be kind of a mess anyway in future. mess in terms of where-to-find-what and does-an-addon-do-what-it-should. of course it would be still a nice learning pool.
-> rename the addon-section to something like 'user-patch-archive'
long-term: non-free addons + no quality control:
- a surplus for the dev, who does not need to invest time into the addon thing.
- a superficial surplus for the passive buyer, who wants to use but not program usine. reason: many add-ons do not meet usine's core quality (c'mon this is a fact).
- a superficial surplus for the active buyer, who wants to use and program usine. reason: there is no long term motivation (see below).
@senso: I deeply appreciate your humility and your sense for a community spirit. but: ideals tend to become the opposite in reality... means: rather come up with hierachical ideals and it will be democratic, not the other way around
my suggestion: just say: I am god, only what is worth my godly quality measurement will be incorporated into the standard usine distribution (with clear reference; for example the new skins would be clearly worth it imho), the other addon-shit I dont care a fuck about
(I know this just sounded really far out, dont take it too serious).
-> further u'd grant free licences to people who can add something to usine's main distribution. this would mean a small money motivation (save a few bucks a year) and a small fame motivation (ur name is mentioned somewhere cool).
i also found this solution interesting , maybe time could be the "god " ...?
after 6 months ( or whatecer time you choose ) addons became " free "...?
just an idea...
after 6 months ( or whatecer time you choose ) addons became " free "...?
just an idea...
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