text per preset???

woodslanding · Unread post by **woodslanding** » 11 Jun 2009, 01:20

I assumed the text(comment) module would remember different text for each preset, so you could comment on the presets. Evidently not--the text is static for all presets.

I'd lke a textfield that could be edited for each preset in the conductor. Any hope??? Ideally, I'd be able to enter text into it from the interface builder, but if not--well I have to open another window to name a preset anyway.

I do have a keyboard hooked up to my touchscreen! (and a mouse-- still can't do without those entirely!)

One thing I tried was hooking an array up to the text output, to store the data, but apparently arrays don't know what to do with text data.

Maybe text->array and array->text scripts?? Not sure how to read lines from a textfield, but I'll look into it.

Seems like something you'd want usine to do, Senso, but maybe you just haven't thought of it yet??

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Also, I'd like to bump naming or at least *selecting* conductor presets from the touchscreen. Please, please, please!! You could just make the conductor look like a combobox when its visibility is set to IB.

Thanks!
-e

YouTube · Unread post by **senso** » 11 Jun 2009, 09:27

hello,
thanks for your suggestions

1) about storing text contents in the preset manager.
Actually hard to implement like that. I hope that, in futures versions we will be able to manage precisely what must be stored or not in the preset/conductor. There are many ways to display different text according the preset number with a selector module.

2) about the conductor in IB:
In the "Usine library / touch screen" you will find a set of very useful patch like 'a big conductor'. I'm sure you can adapt them easily?

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 11 Jun 2009, 14:46

hi woodslanding, by waiting, bsork provided also a solution with it's add on "separate comma text to elements" with a script that separate each comma text elements, then you can assign a nb corresponding to a word, and this can be stored in pm, mabe it can help... (it doesn't store text, but store assignations)

woodslanding · Unread post by **woodslanding** » 15 Jun 2009, 03:20

I currently have implemented the functionality of the big touchscreen conductor. And I suppose if I am careful to keep no more than 20 items in a bank, I can select them this way. However, it seems I cannot select different conductor banks from the touchscreen?? And anyway, many bands I work with have far more than 20 songs..... most singers I work with do not write a setlist, and just call out songs. It would be so easy to just select the next song from the touchscreen, as in programs like Forte and MainStage.

Now I must open the conductor, and if the song I need is not in the first 32 presets, I don't even have a scrollbar to get to it! I have to select a preset I don't actually want, and scroll through a bunch more presets to get to it!

So the only choice for me is to create a combobox to control preset selection. But then every time I create a new sound for a VST or a new preset in the conductor I have to go in and manually edit the comboboxes that control the VST or the conductor. It makes it difficult to create and use new patches.

I look forward to the time when I can have selection comboboxes that stay synchronized with the preset lists-- for both the conductor and for VSTs.

I think I can get around the text problem by writing a script to read the text from a file. I'll experiment with that.

Beyond the problems mentioned here, (and the fact that combobox popup menus have scrollbars that are too small to operate from the touchscreen) I am doing everything I want to with Usine.

Thanks so much!!!

-e

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 15 Jun 2009, 08:26

it seems I cannot select different conductor banks from the touchscreen??

can you try this tip :
link a combo box to your bank inlet of ther conductor .
now , link a list box to this combo box and put this list box in IB mode

works also for program change ..

woodslanding · Unread post by **woodslanding** » 15 Jun 2009, 09:52

Wait, I see no bank input on my conductor!

Ahhh, way at the bottom in extended parameters! Okay, that works.....

Just wish there was a text object I could type into from the IB..... so I could name items without leaving the touchscreen.... then I could have a script append that data to a file, which would drive the commatext input of a combobox which I could use to select a conductor preset or bank. I suppose I'd still run up against the text limit.

It seems there is no alternative to editing combobox items every time I write a preset.

Is there a way to store/retrieve text via an array??

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 15 Jun 2009, 18:25

it's must be possible but heavy, you can convert an interger to string, then concat strings to make a word. an old school dial to select a letter, then assign, quite long but would work on the ib. it must be also possible to make kind of virtual keyboad that have all the caracters linked to their respective asci nb, then storing to an array that recall differents sets relating to preset should work.
might interest me also, gonna try....
arf nobody has a premade ascii mapping for that? seems we need to build an ib keyboard..

edit : much simpler, the keyboard module directly outputs ascii nb, yeah, testing now..

martignasse · Unread post by **martignasse** » 15 Jun 2009, 19:32

don't know if it help

and a little patch

with his sub patch

remember, all is array

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 15 Jun 2009, 19:48

yeah, rock martin will try this,

by waiting ive tried another solution: http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/upload ... n%20ib.pat
little buggy but show the technique should work do directly type from keaboard (via on screen) and store/recall array.
but i think im gonna build a touch one from your tec.

yes all is array hehe, why didn'i ithought about deleting the wire and reuse the editor/array hehe.

edit: fix you have to put the min limit to -1 on scroll fader and delete the wire from fader to "has chg" the pb is no space as it stop usine engine and buggy, to explore.

in fact i notice that on recall preset, things vary if clicking once or double click, ie the array sizes are recalled only if double click,
any enlightment, i feel i miss something about this and array sizes when delaing with setarrayelt..

woodslanding · Unread post by **woodslanding** » 15 Jun 2009, 21:31

You guys are nuts!!!!!!

Can't wait to check this stuf out! Rock on!

-e

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 15 Jun 2009, 21:50

deleted reuploded a bit better one: http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/upload ... ib%202.pat
have to type something else tor space howerever, and double clic to reload preset ,will make a space button.

woodslanding · Unread post by **woodslanding** » 15 Jun 2009, 22:12

I dont stop and start usine much, so I disabled the space bar for that. But it mostly doesn't work for me. Every once in a while I can get a character to show up in the textfield, and once I could save it, but mostly I can't do either.

I'll keep messing with it, and see what I can do. What is the array size limit???

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 15 Jun 2009, 22:23

mmm the array size dependz of word size when you store to preset, im checking, and making better one.
note you have tou double clic to correctly reset size, don't know why..anyone? and how do you disable space bar? tried the keylearn no results, what i am missing? ah ok reset learn?

edit: checked: you need to extend the max limits value of the 2 scroll fader to 512, then array size limit will be 512 captions.

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 16 Jun 2009, 03:52

http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/upload ... ib%203.pat

better version, backspace directly from keyboard, only need click once to correctly display, max 512captions. 16 preset but could be extended. (note you have to manually press S and the preset nb to save)

woodslanding · Unread post by **woodslanding** » 16 Jun 2009, 08:59

hmmm. It's still not working for me 90% of the time.... is there something I'm missing??? I did manage to copy one preset to another.

I was curious if I could get a new line by typing a comma. But couldn't really get that far. I note that backspacing still adds to the scroll count.....

Well, it's late, I'll try again tomorrow.

-e

nofish · Unread post by **nofish** » 16 Jun 2009, 15:48

Hi,

sometimes ago I've asked for something similar (storing comments for different conductor snapshots)..
This was the simple solution for me which I'm still using. Maybe helpful for you also.

http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=931

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 16 Jun 2009, 17:55

hey martin, ive seen ever simpler (notice i often search complicate first), the textfield is stored on preset, no need to send it to array first didn't know that very cool.

woodslanding: sorry i don't know, note i spell wrong: space and eraseback work, no enter.
here i open the pach, if erase all (keeping the eraseback touch pressed it goes to the first character, i can then type a word, a space a new world till 512 limit, then if i press S and 1, then go to 2, re do same manip with another sentence, press S and 2, swiching 1 and 2 on pm then show me the good paragraph???)

edit: ive just tought my laptop is a mac with weird semi working keyboard, maybe the mapping is different than yours, check what output the keyboard module outputs whenyou press usually "eraseprevious", mine is 8, if yours if different should replace 8 in the pach by your value,..

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