Question about external remote with light toggle buton

cybercharles · Unread post by **cybercharles** » 23 Jul 2009, 17:45

Introducing my problem:

I use the Vestax VCM600 as an external remote via an USB port

I assign one external remote button for the control of Aux send On/Off in a Usine track.

What I’m expecting is:

1 when I switch ON the external remote button,
2 the Aux Send switch ON in USINE and
3 the button stay light ON on my external remote. And vise versa… for OFF

In reality

Action 1 and result 2 is working but result 3 is not working the light button on my remote don’t stay ON.

What it is working too is

Action 2 and result 3, when I activate the switch in Usine the remote light switch ON and stay ON on the external remote.

So why for the action 1 I don’t have the result 3 ?

Nobody can help me on this problem ?

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 23 Jul 2009, 18:41

what you can do is copy paste the message you have in the console ( activate "trace " in midi in / setting ) and double click on the console to open it , then disable midi in trace and activate it for midi out
so we can see what type of message we have here

an other thing to check : in witch mode you use your switch ..? absolute , toggle , relative ( rigt click on it in control panel)..?

cybercharles · Unread post by **cybercharles** » 23 Jul 2009, 19:40

in a toggle

i will do your first proposal right know...

thanks

cybercharles · Unread post by **cybercharles** » 23 Jul 2009, 20:00

this is the trace IN console message when i switch ON my remote:

[1] Workspace C:U S I N EUsine 4.22bTemplatesDefaultEmpty WorkSpace.wkp loaded
[2] IN:00001F2C:144-60-127-ON [Chan=1]
[3] IN:00001FFD:128-60-00-OFF [Chan=1]

when a activate trace OUT there is messages when in switch ON my remote control ... that is the problem.

know this is the message when i switch ON Aux 1 in usine (trace out activate):

[4] OUT:00041220:144-60-127-ON [Chan=1]

this is just confirm my problem.

cybercharles · Unread post by **cybercharles** » 23 Jul 2009, 21:45

defenitely don' work even with my BCF2000 I have the same result:

action 1 to 2 is ok
action 2 to 3 is ok

but action 1 to 3 is not ok ...

hope somebody can help !

thanks Nay

charles

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 23 Jul 2009, 22:14

the first strange thing i see is that your vestax send midi note on /off message ..( so 2 different message ).no controller message , so the switch learn midi note on or midi note off i suppose
but you said your bcr give you the same result..? , did the bcr send same message..?

any editor for the vestax that can help you to change this ..?
( maybe test first for the bcr , it's more easy..)

controller message are more something like
[454] IN:002DA0A5:176-16-127-CC [Chan=1]
176 is for CC
16 is the number of the CC
127 is the value "on "

cybercharles · Unread post by **cybercharles** » 23 Jul 2009, 23:34

In fact when I release the switch the remote send a Note OFF.

do you mean USINE remote is not working
with Note, only with Controler ? In geneal toggle button use Note ON/OFF and note
binary controler data like 0/127. Live deal with it for many controler like APC40, VC600 and many other...

The Vestax remote is designed specialy to work with
AbeltonLive so the remote don't have editor...

after testing the BFC2000 with a button programed in a controler (in a toggle way) it works.

So my conclusion is having a remote buton programed like a Note, Usine not manage to deal whit the toggle action and remote
Out a Note On to order to the remote to keep the light ON.....

F.......ck

I will try to scrip a MIDI map whith MIDI OX to solve this big problem for me !

thanks again for your help Nay.

ethnix73 · Unread post by **ethnix73** » 24 Jul 2009, 01:01

Can't you use a midi create message? Might be a solution

cybercharles · Unread post by **cybercharles** » 24 Jul 2009, 01:30

what do you mean ?

Clearscreen · Unread post by **Clearscreen** » 24 Jul 2009, 01:56

can you change the assignment type fro toggle to absolute and see what happens? i have a feeling that may fix it but i haven't got any controllers nearby to test it out. otherwise ethnix's suggestion of building something with usine's midi modules should do the trick and save you having to run another program outside usine to fix it.

cybercharles · Unread post by **cybercharles** » 24 Jul 2009, 10:31

I try toggle absolute and relative.

same result.

ethnix73 · Unread post by **ethnix73** » 24 Jul 2009, 11:58

i mean something like this:

cybercharles · Unread post by **cybercharles** » 24 Jul 2009, 12:19

thanks I just did it by my self.... with the mixer output modul and it works well

cybercharles · Unread post by **cybercharles** » 24 Jul 2009, 12:21

The last question somebody knows why the Aux ON/OFF status is not available in the mixer out module ?

Are they in an other interface control modul ?

ethnix73 · Unread post by **ethnix73** » 24 Jul 2009, 12:50

They are the last two inlet of this module

cybercharles · Unread post by **cybercharles** » 24 Jul 2009, 15:09

Great

thank you for the support.

Usine Forum is faster than many other forum and that is great !!!!

charles from cyber

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 24 Jul 2009, 15:36

cool , glad to see you resolve that problem..

amiga909 · Unread post by **amiga909** » 24 Jul 2009, 16:42

nice solution

just out of interest: is there a possibility to access the midi output (inside Usine, not with midiOx) of the remote update function?

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